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Re: Jerryd Bayless???
« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2009, 01:29:28 PM »

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Defensively they do play much better with Przybilla on the floor. He is one of the better defensive and rebounding straight up centers in the league. He just doesn't have any offensive game whatsoever. With him in that starting lineup, the Blazers are pretty much playing 4 vs 5.

And as much as Webster is a lottery pick, he has never shown lottery pick production. Five years later he is still wildly inconsistent and shown he is better in small spurts coming off the bench, unlike Tony who has shown that given bigger minutes, he will produce. I think expecting lottery quality back for a lottery pick that hasn't shown lottery talent or production is an overused argument made by people. POB was a lottery pick, did the C's get lottery value talent in return for him last year when they traded him? Did Atlanta or Minnesota get lottery talent for Sheldon Williams when they tarded him?

I think that Davis would be the best player being dealt in that trade and think it very fair for both teams.

Don’t get hung up on the lottery thing, don’t need to hear about every lottery pick who hasn’t worked out – the point is it’s hard to argue the Celtics get more talent in the deal. If you want to make it about fit, consider the following:

1)   You're making them worse / nonexistant at their thinnest position, the 3. They wouldn’t have a single natural 3 on the roster (no RF and TA don’t count);
2)   Bayless makes more sense considering their depth at the 1, but they’ll probably trade Miller so he may play a larger role for them soon considering Blake’s struggles. They’d likely want to weigh the market for him before trading Bayless;
3)   The Blazers won’t make the deal about money, because they have plenty. So Webster’s contract (a little much for a one dimensional role player) isn’t likely to be a motivating factor.

If you feel that Baby makes up for all of that, so be it. I doubt many NBA GMs would agree with you, including Pritchard. If he likes Baby so much, why didn’t he use his cap space to make him an offer last summer?

Sorry to be skeptical. Just find a way to make it more attractive – bring in a 3rd team that needs to shed salary or add picks.

Wait,you argue that somehow Pritchard is this smart GM that wouldn't do this trade because if he wanted Baby he would have signed him this off season, yet say that Pritchard would trade Andre Miller, a guy who he signed this off season for 3 years and $22 million. So he's stupid enough to give a guy a horrible contract at a position they had no need at and then trade him just months into his contract but too smart to trade for a guy who's signed to a reasonable contract at a position they do need help at?

Not getting this logic.

You're arguing that he wants or should want Baby, Nick, remember? Seems strange that he's now willing to give up two pretty good young players to get him now when he seemed to express no real interest in him in the past.

And I'm not defending the contract he gave Miller, I couldn't care less. I'm trying to help you with your somewhat.. ambitious.. trade idea, brother. Meanwhile, $7mil a year for 3 years for a legit NBA pg is hardly overpaid much less 'horrible', and he should be movable if they choose to shop him.

You think Pritchard is stupid? Do you remember what the Blazers looked like before he took over?


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Re: Jerryd Bayless???
« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2009, 01:34:54 PM »

Offline ssspence

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Nick, here’s a suggestion

Boston trades:

Baby (to Portland)
TA (to SAC)
Scal (to SAC)
Giddens (to SAC)


Boston receives:

Webster
Bayless
Outlaw
J Howard

Portland trades:

Webster (to Boston)
Bayless (to Boston)
Outlaw (to Boston)
J Howard (to Boston)

Portland receives:

Baby
Nocioni

Sacramento trades:

Nocioni (to Portland)

Sacramento receives:

Scal
TA
Giddens

Works on the Trade Checker as of December 17th. Outlaw (though talented -- and i'll admit i'd like to have him) is filler due to his foot injury and expiring contract.

Well done, Spence.  That's darned creative and seems like a win/win/win for all concerned, considering team needs.
I like it. A lot. We are giving up the same thing I said to give up yet getting Outlaw too.

Not sure Sactown is getting a very good return on the dollar for what they are giving up though,

Sac would jump at the opportunity to dump Noce. The Maloofs would send you flowers every day for a year. They immediately move Martin onto the floor at the 3 with Evans and Udrih / Rodriguez and play Westphal small ball. Besides, they're already paying a back-up 3 (Garcia) too much for too long anyway.

To me Portland is one of the few teams where a) he'd make sense and b) they'd be willing to pay him. They get a lot better overnight in the deal.

Keep in mind Portland and SAC recently did the deal for Rodriguez -- they have a history of working with each other.
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Re: Jerryd Bayless???
« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2009, 02:02:01 PM »

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not a very good shooter, and he's a poor passer. decent defender -- but who would we give up? they needs 3s and 4s. you'd likely have to give up Baby to get him and I don't think you do that.

He's a very good shooter. And I'd give up BBD anyday for Jerryd Bayless, kid's a hell of a scorer

Re: Jerryd Bayless???
« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2009, 02:10:22 PM »

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not a very good shooter, and he's a poor passer. decent defender -- but who would we give up? they needs 3s and 4s. you'd likely have to give up Baby to get him and I don't think you do that.

He's a very good shooter. And I'd give up BBD anyday for Jerryd Bayless, kid's a hell of a scorer

He has not shot the ball with range well in the pros, though I think he's a better shooter than he's shown thus far.
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