Adam Morrison

[Tai]

No offense to OP, but you can't just say "Well um the Regular season didn't start" anymore when making these kinds of topics. 

But seriously, I don't think he'd make a team like the Celtics if he can't defend. Is he really below average as far as shooters? 33.6%?

Heh heh....no thanks. 

[Birdbrain]

The fact that the OP used Bird in the same sentence made me throw up in my mouth a little.   

coming out of college though everybody was comparing him to Bird though, but ya, just never panned out.

First off, it was not everybody and second it's was only because they are 2 ugly white guys. That's where the comparison ends. Had either one of them not been white, nobody would compare their games. Morrisons doesn't have 1/10th the court vision Bird has. Nor is he anywhere near the rebounder or passer Bird was. Sillest comparison I've ever heard.

Agreed similar to the silly notion that Dirk is comparable to better than Larry.  Of course that came from some the jealous hack broadcasters.

I think it's fair to say Dirk has a comparable skill set to Larry. I mean the man is a lights out shooter, can take most PF's off the dribble and... oh yeah... he was an MVP!

Not not even close.... wait for it... here it comes, IMO.

He could play until the cows come home and it won't matter.

Can't pass, rebound, or a lead a team.

Dirk, for his career, has averaged 8.6 boards per game. He's averaged at least close to 9 every year since 00-01. In contrast, Larry never averaged 9 per game. Granted Larry had more talented rebounders around him, but there were also a lot more shots per game in the 80's.

Larry averaged 10 for his career and he was going up against the best front line in history for boards.  These players are not comparable.

And I'm talking about big time rebounds in traffic like Pierce gets not stat padding run out rebounds.

In regards to Morrison I'm not sure if I would cry or laugh first if ever got PT on my C's.

Dirk and Larry's rebounding rates are actually pretty close. Larry has played more minutes than Dirk. You're making a mountain out of a small rebounding edge for Larry.

I don't use stats to back my claims.  I use my eyeballs and they aren't comparable when it comes to important rebounds.

It's the same as the kobe vs jordan comparison.  There is none unless you never watched them play and used stats.

[Fafnir]

I don't use stats to back my claims.  I use my eyeballs and they aren't comparable when it comes to important rebounds.

It's the same as the kobe vs jordan comparison.  There is none unless you never watched them play and used stats.

I doubt you watch Dirk enough to back up that claim. You're a Celtics fan, so you can't just go by gut from watching them play. You probably don't see Dirk enough, and you also have green tinted glasses.

Its nice to know that evidence and facts don't matter though!

BTW the stats say Jordan was much much much better than Kobe.

[Roy Hobbs]

Dirk and Larry's rebounding rates are actually pretty close. Larry has played more minutes than Dirk. You're making a mountain out of a small rebounding edge for Larry.

Keep in mind who Larry was competing with rebounds with, as opposed to Dirk.  It's harder to pull down boards when you're next to Parish, McHale, Walton, Maxwell, etc. than it is when the best rebounders on your front line are Raef LaFrentz or Eric Dampier.

[Roy Hobbs]

Its nice to know that evidence, facts, and our opinions don't matter though!

I like stats, but they only take you so far.  There's a certain value in actually watching and observing players, and seeing how they play with their teammates, how they handle pressure, etc., etc.  I agree with the general idea that Dirk and Larry are in different classes as players.  As good as Dirk is, he doesn't take over games the same way Larry did.

BTW the stats say Jordan was much much much better than Kobe.

And he was.

[Fafnir]

Dirk and Larry's rebounding rates are actually pretty close. Larry has played more minutes than Dirk. You're making a mountain out of a small rebounding edge for Larry.

Keep in mind who Larry was competing with rebounds with, as opposed to Dirk.  It's harder to pull down boards when you're next to Parish, McHale, Walton, Maxwell, etc. than it is when the best rebounders on your front line are Raef LaFrentz or Eric Dampier.

True, but its not like Dirk is a slouch on that end.

[Fafnir]

Its nice to know that evidence, facts, and our opinions don't matter though!

I like stats, but they only take you so far.  There's a certain value in actually watching and observing players, and seeing how they play with their teammates, how they handle pressure, etc., etc.  I agree with the general idea that Dirk and Larry are in different classes as players.  As good as Dirk is, he doesn't take over games the same way Larry did.

BTW the stats say Jordan was much much much better than Kobe.

And he was.

But what I think people underate about Dirk is that he's been essentially the same level of player now for 10 years. Bird's peak was much shorter, if also at another level.

Dirk's can't run an offense like Bird could.

[dark_lord]

Any interest in this player. I used to think he had Bird like qualities, with his shooting and scoring tunnel vision.

After injury and loss of confidence the Lakers havent taken up his contract.

Ok his defence is nil, but I am sure he can turn out to be something special with the right coaching staff belief.

[Onslaught]

The fact that the OP used Bird in the same sentence made me throw up in my mouth a little.   

coming out of college though everybody was comparing him to Bird though, but ya, just never panned out.

The compare almost all white players to Bird at some time or the other.

[Neurotic Guy]

In defense of the OP, let's be honest -- to folks like me who saw Morrison only in the tournament, he did appear to have some skills and intangibles (shooting, effort and leaderhsip) that some thought made him a candidate to be Bird-like as a professional.  Now, don't jump on that -- Bird-like doesn't mean anyone predicted he'd be Bird's equal.  Clearly some folks on this blog had him sniffed out as an imposter when he was in the NCAA tournament. But, many in the  masses saw a hint of something special in him.  To state that they were wrong would be accurate, but the OP was voicing what many thought at the time. 

[guava_wrench]

The fact that the OP used Bird in the same sentence made me throw up in my mouth a little.   

coming out of college though everybody was comparing him to Bird though, but ya, just never panned out.

The compare almost all white players to Bird at some time or the other.

Different case here. Morrison actually wanted to be like Bird.

[slamtheking]

The guy might be out of the league altogether after this season. The guy just can't play NBA ball.

You take that back, he is an NBA CHAMPION!

A truly sad reality.

further proof that even a blind squirrel can find a nut