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Re: What can we get for Porzingis?
« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2025, 06:38:29 PM »

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Could we get Bradley Beal?

Zinger & Jrue for Beal. Something like that.

Does Beal still play?  How about KP for KD?

Re: What can we get for Porzingis?
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2025, 08:35:31 PM »

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I don?t think anyone would want him at this point.

Re: What can we get for Porzingis?
« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2025, 09:23:55 PM »

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He?s sick with a virus. People saying he?s washed and/or should retire.  :blank:
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Re: What can we get for Porzingis?
« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2025, 04:21:11 AM »

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I am pretty sure we cannot combine Porzingis with another contact to bring back one bigger contract, due to the second apron restrictions.

I don't think we should trade him.  Why sell low?  Sure, he only plays 60 or so games per year but I still like his game.  I assume they can figure out this illness thing before the start of next season (if they can't, he will never pass a physical).  Yes, his minutes need to be heavily managed in the regular season but so what.  If we can make a good deal (whatever that means), sure, but no need to dump him in my view.

Not sure they are selling low, I think they are just selling what he is at this point. He's been in the league for 10 seasons, and played in 501 games. Thats about 50 games a season. He's played in 99 games the last two years for the Celtics. That's about 50 games a season. He's a 50 games a season guy who you just can't rley on to be good to go in the post season.

I think the Celtics should move on, there's better ways to spend 30 million than on a center who is often injured.

That said not sure what they'd get for him. If the answer is "not much" or it requires you take back bad to mediocre salary I'd probably just keep him and let him expire.

Re: What can we get for Porzingis?
« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2025, 04:42:07 AM »

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I don?t think anyone would want him at this point.

I think even less people would want Beal and his $54m salary and no-trade clause  :police:

As for KP, I think fans always tend to be more down on their own players...KP is on $30m, he is an expiring contract next season, he averaged 20ppg at 38% from 3, 7rpg and 2bpg in 30 mins a game for 57 games last season, and 19ppg at 41% from 3, 7rpg and 1.3bpg in 28mpg in 42 games this season. He's suffering from a virus but until someone says it's a career ending virus or one that will prevent him from playing I don't think he has no value. He has value to a team at the right price and who is planning to use him for the right reason.

That team could still be us. KP is extension eligible next season.  For the sake of argument, if he agrees to a 3 or 4 year contract at $10m a season who says no? What if it was $15m for 3 seasons?
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Re: What can we get for Porzingis?
« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2025, 04:43:44 AM »

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Could we get Bradley Beal?

Zinger & Jrue for Beal. Something like that.

Does Beal still play?  How about KP for KD?

KP For KD can't happen because both the Suns and the Celtics are over the 2nd apron and cannot aggregate players in trade, and cannot take in more than 100% of the salary they are sending out. KP is at $54m next season and KP is at $30m.
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Re: What can we get for Porzingis?
« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2025, 05:52:46 AM »

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Here's a few Porzingis trade ideas. Please note any trades with draft picks are somewhat negotiable, I'm more focusing on which players would be involved:

1) Porzingis + picks to Utah for Clarkson, Martin and Kessler.
Why: Celtics get center of future in Kessler. Clarkson and Martin are both on expiring's at 14.2 and 8.0 million, easier to move than Porzingis at 30 million. Saves Celtics about 3 million dollars in salary next year. If they moved BOTH Clarkson and Martin without taking back significant salary they could even duck the 2nd apron. Jazz do it for drafts picks, not sure what pick(s) it would take, my guess would be two firsts. 

2) Porzingis to Charlotte for Nurkic, Okogie and a second (either #33 and/or #34, Or mark Williams instead.)
-This one is kind of just a pure salary dump. Nurkic makes 19.3 and is an expiring, Okogie makes 7.7. So that saves the Celtics three million off the jump. Nurkic could be your third center for a year, he's an expiring. Okogie could be dumped somewhere else to save an additional 7.7 million bringing your total savings to almost 11 million in salary. Charlotte throws in a second round pick, either 33 or 34, and gets a spacer for Ball and Miller on a test drive for next year. Alternatively the C's could target Mark Williams. Personally i wouldn't given his very bad defense. 

3) Porzingis to Sacramento for DeRozan
-Okay, this one is maybe a little pie in the sky. But I think its fun. Porzingis gets placed next to Sabonis giving him and LaVine a spacer on offense. Celtics get a wing scorer to replace Tatum for next year. DeRozan does have one extra year on his contract, so Celtics may have to throw in some more value to entice Sacramento.
 
4) Porzingis to Toronto for Poetl and Agbaji
-This swaps out Porzingis at 30.7 million for Poetl at 19.5 and Agbaji at 6.4 so it saves the Celtics around 4.8 right away. If they flipped Agbaji they would save a total of 11.2 million with Poetl vs KP. Poetl has only two years left on his deal. Raptors meanwhile might value the spacing KP would provide for a very spacing starved team.

5) Porzingis to Detroit for Stewart and Fontecchio
-There are a number of workable deals with Detroit due to the fact that they have about 25 million in cap space which allows for unbalance trades. This version swaps KP at 30.7 million for Stewart at 15.0 and Fontecchio at 8.3 saving the C's 7.4 million right away. They could then flip Fontecchio to save that 7.4, or keep him as a depth 6'8 forward in a season without Tatum. Stewart is an interesting young big man. Detroit may value KP's expiring given that they have some extension coming up, and they also might value his spacing for Cade/Ivey.

6) Porzingis to Nets into cap space.
-The Nets are the only team with enough Cap Space to take on all of KP's 30.7 million and send nothing back. My guess is the Nets have other priorities with that space, but if they strike out taking KP for one year would be a way to sort of just roll over their money into the summer of 2026 without taking on anything long term. They have to reach the salary floor at least in any event. My guess is the Celtics would incentive them with a draft pick, but it would save the C's about 240 million in salary+tax next year.

7) Porzingis to Lakers for Hachimura and Vincent
-Maybe its blasphemy to trade him to the Lakers, but they desperately need a center and they have a number of expiring contracts in the 10-20 million dollar range they could send back. That allows the Celtics to break up a 30.7 million dollar KP into smaller units they could flip elsewhere for tax savings. Hachimura and Vincet are just one combination that works. In this scenario Hachimura could help fill in for the Tatum minutes next year while Vincet gets spun off for tax savings.
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Re: What can we get for Porzingis?
« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2025, 08:32:38 AM »

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If he is sick , he could get better ,  until we know why he is ill and can he recover why kick him when he is down . Nothing anyone can control.

Re: What can we get for Porzingis?
« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2025, 11:51:15 AM »

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4-Team Trade Idea

Celtics trade Zinger, Holliday, 28th pick
Celtics receive Ayton and 11th pick
Why? This resets our books and gives us a swing at a high upside player in a contract year. The league is moving toward bigs and physicality and we need to have a big of the future. With the 11th, we target Bryant (Arizona), Richardson (MSU), or Queen (Maryland).

Blazers trade Ayton, Simons, 11th pick
Blazers receive Holliday, Zinger, Anthony, 16th pick
Why? They drafted their center of the future last year. This trade opens the court for Sharpe and Henderson with a stretch big that can play next to Clingan. Anthony is there to provide offense. Holliday mentors those young guards. This Blazer team tries to make the leap next year. Another bonus is that they don't have to make a decision on Simons or Ayton with other contracts coming due soon.

Nets trade (nothing)
Nets receive KCP, 28th pick
Why? Get a 1st round pick for their cap space. Give KCP the opportunity to rehab his value and try to flip him for another pick at the deadline or next off-season.

Magic trade KCP, Anthony, 16th pick
Magic receive Simons
Magic reportedly have interest in Simons. With this trade, they get rid of KCP deadweight contract and get an upgrade as a shooting guard. Suggs-Simons-Bancero-Wagner-Isaac is a pretty good lineup.

Celtics lineup next year is White-Brown-Pritchard-Ayton-Hauser with 11th pick, Scheierman, Horford, Kornet (resigned), and whoever we can get with the 14m player exception (Bruce Brown?). We get under the 2nd apron for a year while retooling around the Js.

Re: What can we get for Porzingis?
« Reply #39 on: May 16, 2025, 12:17:24 PM »

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I don?t think anyone would want him at this point.

I think even less people would want Beal and his $54m salary and no-trade clause  :police:

As for KP, I think fans always tend to be more down on their own players...KP is on $30m, he is an expiring contract next season, he averaged 20ppg at 38% from 3, 7rpg and 2bpg in 30 mins a game for 57 games last season, and 19ppg at 41% from 3, 7rpg and 1.3bpg in 28mpg in 42 games this season. He's suffering from a virus but until someone says it's a career ending virus or one that will prevent him from playing I don't think he has no value. He has value to a team at the right price and who is planning to use him for the right reason.

That team could still be us. KP is extension eligible next season.  For the sake of argument, if he agrees to a 3 or 4 year contract at $10m a season who says no? What if it was $15m for 3 seasons?

I think you're right that he's roughly a MLE-level player. Which is why he is so hard to trade even as an expiring at $30m.

Maybe Detroit could use him. They will be under the cap and could absorb most of his contract without sending much back.

But then again,  why wouldn't they just use that space on players who can stay on the court?

We might end up having to pay Brooklyn to take him.

Re: What can we get for Porzingis?
« Reply #40 on: May 16, 2025, 12:25:57 PM »

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I don?t think anyone would want him at this point.

I think even less people would want Beal and his $54m salary and no-trade clause  :police:

As for KP, I think fans always tend to be more down on their own players...KP is on $30m, he is an expiring contract next season, he averaged 20ppg at 38% from 3, 7rpg and 2bpg in 30 mins a game for 57 games last season, and 19ppg at 41% from 3, 7rpg and 1.3bpg in 28mpg in 42 games this season. He's suffering from a virus but until someone says it's a career ending virus or one that will prevent him from playing I don't think he has no value. He has value to a team at the right price and who is planning to use him for the right reason.

That team could still be us. KP is extension eligible next season.  For the sake of argument, if he agrees to a 3 or 4 year contract at $10m a season who says no? What if it was $15m for 3 seasons?

I think you're right that he's roughly a MLE-level player. Which is why he is so hard to trade even as an expiring at $30m.

Maybe Detroit could use him. They will be under the cap and could absorb most of his contract without sending much back.

But then again,  why wouldn't they just use that space on players who can stay on the court?

We might end up having to pay Brooklyn to take him.

Oddly his bones and ligaments etc... seem to hold up pretty well this year after surgery and  not playing back to backs.  The guy has to be super frustrated.  He looked great for a stretch this season.
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Re: What can we get for Porzingis?
« Reply #41 on: May 16, 2025, 12:37:56 PM »

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I don?t think anyone would want him at this point.

I think even less people would want Beal and his $54m salary and no-trade clause  :police:

As for KP, I think fans always tend to be more down on their own players...KP is on $30m, he is an expiring contract next season, he averaged 20ppg at 38% from 3, 7rpg and 2bpg in 30 mins a game for 57 games last season, and 19ppg at 41% from 3, 7rpg and 1.3bpg in 28mpg in 42 games this season. He's suffering from a virus but until someone says it's a career ending virus or one that will prevent him from playing I don't think he has no value. He has value to a team at the right price and who is planning to use him for the right reason.

That team could still be us. KP is extension eligible next season.  For the sake of argument, if he agrees to a 3 or 4 year contract at $10m a season who says no? What if it was $15m for 3 seasons?

I think you're right that he's roughly a MLE-level player. Which is why he is so hard to trade even as an expiring at $30m.

Maybe Detroit could use him. They will be under the cap and could absorb most of his contract without sending much back.

But then again,  why wouldn't they just use that space on players who can stay on the court?

We might end up having to pay Brooklyn to take him.

Oddly his bones and ligaments etc... seem to hold up pretty well this year after surgery and  not playing back to backs.  The guy has to be super frustrated.  He looked great for a stretch this season.

It's like Chris Sale falling off his bike and breaking his arm or whatever. Some of it seems like random bad luck. But I think being too thin is part of the problem too. Not enough muscle tissue to reinforce the internal structures.

Edit: But yeah. In particular the virus thing is unexpected and must be very disappointing for him.  The universe works in mysterious ways.
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Re: What can we get for Porzingis?
« Reply #42 on: May 16, 2025, 12:44:06 PM »

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4-Team Trade Idea

Celtics trade Zinger, Holliday, 28th pick
Celtics receive Ayton and 11th pick
Why? This resets our books and gives us a swing at a high upside player in a contract year. The league is moving toward bigs and physicality and we need to have a big of the future. With the 11th, we target Bryant (Arizona), Richardson (MSU), or Queen (Maryland).

Blazers trade Ayton, Simons, 11th pick
Blazers receive Holliday, Zinger, Anthony, 16th pick
Why? They drafted their center of the future last year. This trade opens the court for Sharpe and Henderson with a stretch big that can play next to Clingan. Anthony is there to provide offense. Holliday mentors those young guards. This Blazer team tries to make the leap next year. Another bonus is that they don't have to make a decision on Simons or Ayton with other contracts coming due soon.

Nets trade (nothing)
Nets receive KCP, 28th pick
Why? Get a 1st round pick for their cap space. Give KCP the opportunity to rehab his value and try to flip him for another pick at the deadline or next off-season.

Magic trade KCP, Anthony, 16th pick
Magic receive Simons
Magic reportedly have interest in Simons. With this trade, they get rid of KCP deadweight contract and get an upgrade as a shooting guard. Suggs-Simons-Bancero-Wagner-Isaac is a pretty good lineup.

Celtics lineup next year is White-Brown-Pritchard-Ayton-Hauser with 11th pick, Scheierman, Horford, Kornet (resigned), and whoever we can get with the 14m player exception (Bruce Brown?). We get under the 2nd apron for a year while retooling around the Js.

Honestly man I'd rather roll with Queta and Kornet than Ayton.

From a Blazers beat writer who questions Ayton's future with the team:

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Most problematic is that Ayton is often a negative on defense. He had the team?s worst defensive rating (116.8 ) and the lowest net rating (minus-6.9) among those playing more than 10 minutes per game.

https://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/2025/05/deandre-aytons-days-in-rip-city-could-be-numbered-trail-blazers-season-reviewlook-ahead.html

Edit:
I do like the rest of the structure of the trade. I just don't want Ayton in green.
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Re: What can we get for Porzingis?
« Reply #43 on: May 16, 2025, 03:57:33 PM »

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4-Team Trade Idea

Celtics trade Zinger, Holliday, 28th pick
Celtics receive Ayton and 11th pick
Why? This resets our books and gives us a swing at a high upside player in a contract year. The league is moving toward bigs and physicality and we need to have a big of the future. With the 11th, we target Bryant (Arizona), Richardson (MSU), or Queen (Maryland).

Blazers trade Ayton, Simons, 11th pick
Blazers receive Holliday, Zinger, Anthony, 16th pick
Why? They drafted their center of the future last year. This trade opens the court for Sharpe and Henderson with a stretch big that can play next to Clingan. Anthony is there to provide offense. Holliday mentors those young guards. This Blazer team tries to make the leap next year. Another bonus is that they don't have to make a decision on Simons or Ayton with other contracts coming due soon.

Nets trade (nothing)
Nets receive KCP, 28th pick
Why? Get a 1st round pick for their cap space. Give KCP the opportunity to rehab his value and try to flip him for another pick at the deadline or next off-season.

Magic trade KCP, Anthony, 16th pick
Magic receive Simons
Magic reportedly have interest in Simons. With this trade, they get rid of KCP deadweight contract and get an upgrade as a shooting guard. Suggs-Simons-Bancero-Wagner-Isaac is a pretty good lineup.

Celtics lineup next year is White-Brown-Pritchard-Ayton-Hauser with 11th pick, Scheierman, Horford, Kornet (resigned), and whoever we can get with the 14m player exception (Bruce Brown?). We get under the 2nd apron for a year while retooling around the Js.

Honestly man I'd rather roll with Queta and Kornet than Ayton.

From a Blazers beat writer who questions Ayton's future with the team:

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Most problematic is that Ayton is often a negative on defense. He had the team?s worst defensive rating (116.8 ) and the lowest net rating (minus-6.9) among those playing more than 10 minutes per game.

https://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/2025/05/deandre-aytons-days-in-rip-city-could-be-numbered-trail-blazers-season-reviewlook-ahead.html

Edit:
I do like the rest of the structure of the trade. I just don't want Ayton in green.

I get it. I'm not a big fan of Ayton either. I'm just trying to think of high upside swings that we could take this year. Holliday and Zinger will not be on the next Celtics championship team.

As disappointing as Ayton has been these last two years, in that Suns championship loss run, he was legitimately awesome. He was great on defense and a really efficient offensive player. Plus, he's only 26.

There just aren't very many players with his size, athleticism, and skill on the planet.