Celtics trade 2 second round picks in a S&T involving Evan Fournier to New York

[Vermont Green]

Essentially the Celtics could have ended up with one of two combinations of players/assets:

Evan Fournier
Moses Brown
A late 2023 2nd rounder

Or

Josh Richardson
Dennis Schröder
$17.1 million TPE

I think you can make an argument for either.  I prefer the latter because I really did not enjoy Evan Fournier’s defense in the playoffs, but ask me again if Richardson and Schröder keep shooting  in the low 30s from 3 and I may have a different answer.

That is an interesting way to break this down.  In theory, we could have signed Fournier and traded for Richardson and signed Schroder but in a practical sense, there are only 15 roster spots so something has to go out somewhere.

I think it is fair to equate Richardson with the Fournier roster spot and Schroder with the Moses Brown roster spot.  As well, the TPE and the second round pick kind of tag along with the Richardson-Fournier swap.

I think this has all been fairly sensible cap and roster management.  As we stand, we have too many PG/Combo Guards and not enough (actually not any) real PFs.  There may be one more off season trade or we may see what becomes available along the way.  The TPE gives us a lot of flexibility.

[JBcat]

Couldn’t we have had both Fournier and Schroder since we used the tax payer mid level on Schroder?  I believe so and I really think it comes down how much tax ownership is willing to pay combined with how much they believed in Fournier. It will be interesting to see if we use the 17.1 mil trade exception this season, next offseason, or not at all.

[Celtics2021]

Couldn’t we have had both Fournier and Schroder since we used the tax payer mid level on Schroder?  I believe so and I really think it comes down how much tax ownership is willing to pay combined with how much they believed in Fournier. It will be interesting to see if we use the 17.1 mil trade exception this season, next offseason, or not at all.

Yes, we could.  It was a budgetary decision, presumably.  Schröder and Richardson make essentially the same as Fournier.  Having Fournier and Schröder would have been about $6 million more in salary and $12 million more in luxury tax, and reduced the ability for the Celtics to get below the tax at the deadline if the season wasn’t proving worth being a taxpaying team.

[sgrogan]

Couldn’t we have had both Fournier and Schroder since we used the tax payer mid level on Schroder?  I believe so and I really think it comes down how much tax ownership is willing to pay combined with how much they believed in Fournier. It will be interesting to see if we use the 17.1 mil trade exception this season, next offseason, or not at all.

Yes, we could.  It was a budgetary decision, presumably.  Schröder and Richardson make essentially the same as Fournier.  Having Fournier and Schröder would have been about $6 million more in salary and $12 million more in luxury tax, and reduced the ability for the Celtics to get below the tax at the deadline if the season wasn’t proving worth being a taxpaying team.

In addition I'm not sure Schröder would be here if we signed Fournier. Richardson is a better defender than Fournier, but we gave up some offense, Schröder offsets that. Maybe it's two nickles for a dime, but it gives us more flexibility to make change

[Moranis]

Couldn’t we have had both Fournier and Schroder since we used the tax payer mid level on Schroder?  I believe so and I really think it comes down how much tax ownership is willing to pay combined with how much they believed in Fournier. It will be interesting to see if we use the 17.1 mil trade exception this season, next offseason, or not at all.

Yes, we could.  It was a budgetary decision, presumably.  Schröder and Richardson make essentially the same as Fournier.  Having Fournier and Schröder would have been about $6 million more in salary and $12 million more in luxury tax, and reduced the ability for the Celtics to get below the tax at the deadline if the season wasn’t proving worth being a taxpaying team.

To be fair, we could have had Richardson, Fournier, and Schroder as none of them were acquired for each other or used the same exception to be acquired.  Obviously roster construction that doesn't make a lot of sense, but there is nothing that would have prevented the team from doing that.

Practically speaking though, I do think it is as was described i.e. Richardson/Schroder/TPE or Fournier/Brown/2nd. 

[BudweiserCeltic]

2022 expirings that fit:

JaMichael Green
Nurcic
Covington
Bagley

JaMychal Green ain't an expiring. He signed a 2 year / $17,000,000 contract with the Nuggets.

My favorite targets on expiring deals would be Joe ingles and Kyle Anderson. Don't think any of them are available right now. I guess Anderson might become available at the deadline (?). Thad Young may be an intriguing option as well.

Not an expiring, but I'd love us to go after Christian Wood.

Pulled off HoopsHype, I missed that. Thanks.

Joe Ingles is not getting traded IMO. He is major piece of Jazz team.  And not the type of dude to demand a trade.

Yeah, I don't expect Ingles to become available either. That said, I reckon he'd be an amazing fit on the C's.

Not sure what's the point in talking about expiring contracts anymore. I mean, Smart signed an extension. We won't have max cap space next summer.

WE just got a $17.1 M TPE exception.   That is why I was listing expiring contracts up to that amount.  That is how we got Fournier this season, using TPE.  Nothing to do with cap space.

I think the TPE is a minimum of $18.1 million.  If Fournier got $78 million, that’s the lowest his year 1 salary could be with max raises to get to $78 million.  Since his last year isn’t guaranteed, it may even be a little higher, as often the non-guaranteed year doesn’t include a raise so the player gets more in guaranteed money.  But that’s unclear as of now.

Looks like it'll be $17,142,857:

Keith Smith @KeithSmithNBA
This means the exact value of the TPE Boston created by signing-and-trading Fournier to New York is $17,142,857.
https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1428022525670395908