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Who will win the division?

Toronto Raptors
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Boston Celtics
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The next 15 games will decide the season
« on: February 05, 2017, 10:46:30 PM »

Offline CelticPride2016

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It took a while for the team to gel after the early season injuries, but it definitely happened.

To think we once had a record of 3-4. After a loss to San Antonio in mid-December, our record stood at a dismal, disappointing 13-12.

Since then we have gone 20-6 for a winning rate of 76.9%.

There are only 31 games left. 12 out of the next 15 are road games. We have become a decent home team, so if we can survive the next 15, it looks like smooth sailing into the playoffs.

Wed, Feb 8   
@Sacramento
10:30 PM

Thu, Feb 9   
@Portland
10:30 PM

Sat, Feb 11   
@Utah
10:00 PM

Mon, Feb 13   
@Dallas
8:30 PM

Wed, Feb 15   
vs Philadelphia
7:30 PM

Thu, Feb 16   
@Chicago
8:00 PM

Fri, Feb 24   
@Toronto
8:00 PM

Sun, Feb 26   
@Detroit
6:00 PM

Mon, Feb 27   
vs Atlanta
7:30 PM

Wed, Mar 1   
vs Cleveland
8:00 PM

Fri, Mar 3   
@Los Angeles Lakers
10:30 PM

Sun, Mar 5   
@Phoenix
5:00 PM

Mon, Mar 6   
@LA Clippers
10:30 PM

Wed, Mar 8   
@Golden State
10:30 PM

Fri, Mar 10   
@Denver
9:00 PM

11 out of the last 16 are home games.

We will have to continue to play well to even win the third seed, let alone end up ahead of Toronto and maybe Cleveland.

But, we are finally in the hunt. Brad is the All-Star coach and Isaiah is the talk of the league. Pierce also made us look good. I'm glad Paul hit the last shot and the crowd went nuts. And the Patriots did the impossible and won another Super Bowl.

I am stuffed on Boston championships, but I will always have room for more Celtics titles. I do not worry about the team because I can see with my own eyes how good this is going. Now someone wants us to go after Blake Griffin. That's outrageous. That's what Brooklyn did. Why would we want to go all-in on damaged goods when we are going to have a lot of the best young talent? That's how you win titles and a lot of them. Steph Curry's contract has been dirt cheap, as has Isaiah's. Smart is cheap for what he does. Crowder is the epitome of state of the art contract success from a team salary cap perspective.

Butler. I don't want some diva who throws his teammates under the bus. His position is already filled.

Cousins would cost too much for the risk. People need to get over that.

Gordon Hayward. Forget about him. There's no room. We have zero need for that guy. We have Crowder and Brown for that.

The worst part of this season has been coming across trade speculation posts. Life is too short for wasting time on who the heck knows except Danny. Those fans don't deserve to bask in our current success. They'll stab the team in the back as soon as we lose some games or hit the next rough patch.

It's all about winning as the Patriots keep on doing. They bend but do not break. Golden State and Cleveland are bad for the league. It doesn't have to be us this year, but I hope it's neither of them.

Our point differential is modest. We are not destroying teams. But wins are wins and should count for something.
« Last Edit: February 06, 2017, 12:04:40 PM by CelticPride2016 »

Re: The next 15 games will decide the season
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2017, 03:30:16 AM »

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It took a while for the team to gel after the early season injuries, but it definitely happened.

The team defense is unreliable. They won't be able to win by outshooting opponents in the playoffs, maybe not even in the first round. They are last in defensive rebounding. I won't say "fool's gold" - what you're seeing is real - but at this rate the likely expectations around playoff success are bound to be disappointed.

Now someone wants us to go after Blake Griffin. That's outrageous. That's what Brooklyn did. Why would we want to go all-in on damaged goods when we are going to have a lot of the best young talent?

He had an enforced layoff after minor knee surgery. He's been having a season in line with his career norms. He's a great fit for Boston.

Butler. I don't want some diva who throws his teammates under the bus. His position is already filled.

I pretty much agree that his position is filled.

Cousins would cost too much for the risk. People need to get over that.

I'm less concerned about Butler being a divo than Cousins - perhaps that's what you're referring to as "the risk". Unfortunate that a talent like that belongs to a Class-A knucklehead.

Gordon Hayward. Forget about him. There's no room. We have zero need for that guy. We have Crowder and Brown for that.

I agree, especially because of their defense.

Our point differential is modest. We are not destroying teams. But wins are wins and should count for something.

Yes, they count. Unfortunately for Boston, point differential is a better predictor of playoff success than wins.

Re: The next 15 games will decide the season
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2017, 03:53:24 AM »

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Now someone wants us to go after Blake Griffin. That's outrageous. That's what Brooklyn did. Why would we want to go all-in on damaged goods when we are going to have a lot of the best young talent?

How is it "outrageous" to sign an All-Star like Blake Griffin, who would arguably become the best player on our team the moment he put on a Celtics uniform? And how is this anything like Brooklyn did? Signing a 28 year old legit All-NBA player is similar to trading away the future of your franchise for past-their-prime players in their mid-30's?

Nobody is suggesting that we trade major assets for him, but people are crazy if they think there's a better fit for our cap space in a free agent this summer. He absolutely fits several needs that we have in a secondary scorer, another playmaker, a good rebounder, and another overall competent big to fill out our starting five, and he's by far the best free agent big on the market this summer.

It would literally be one of the only ways to "have your cake, and eat it too," meaning you can both legitimately compete now and in the future by not trading away younger core assets to get better now.

Are you seriously saying that you wouldn't sign Griffin this summer if you had the chance?
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Re: The next 15 games will decide the season
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2017, 12:03:38 PM »

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Thanks for the response, ThePaintedArea.

1) It looks like offense is up everywhere in the NBA. Going with Isaiah Thomas means we are not going to be defined as a Memphis. It takes a balance between offense and defense. I gave up on Memphis once we beat them. They are a menace to score on, but they are very easy to defend.

Maybe we are better at defense than it seems. We lost a lot of players this year early in the season which may have skewed the stats. Since starting 3-4, we have gone 30-14. 30-14! I see I messed up in the opening post saying we were 3-6. My bad. I'll fix that.

I agree our defense is not as strong this year. But I think our offense has improved more than our defense has fallen. We are all Isaiah at this point.

2) Maybe Blake Griffin could have been a perfect fit. But this isn't a video game which allows for trades and GM moves. It seems a bit premature to discuss next year's free agents. If we are going to do that and be cynical, we might as well angle for Cousins when he becomes an unrestricted free agent.

How much is Blake going to cost? Isn't he sort of weak on defense? Isn't he clearly damaged goods or at least his long-term health is in question? Al will eventually reach $30 million. Blake will cost that much or close? What happens then when we have Isaiah and Bradley in need of new contracts? Are we going to have a combined player budget of $150 million?

I guess maybe you could time it so when Horford and Griffin contracts run out, you refill their contracts with other stars. But that was Danny's original strategy with Paul, Ray and KG, and we know how that turned out. We went right back to scrub, league dregs status.

3) We agree. If a position is already filled, why create an awkward logjam?

4 and 5) I speak of risk in regards to the laws of physics. We could trade for those guys, but it would be too expensive. There would be no guarantee of it working. This would become Cousins' team. He would cost so much more than KG did. When we traded nearly everything for Kevin, we really had nothing to lose except for maybe Al Jefferson.

Maybe Butler isn't as much of a diva who's never won anything, but he acted like it recently with broken down Wade who used to be a top player.

I think the Celtics' motto is the team is the superstar. If we add on Butler, Cousins, Blake, players like that, our budget space will take a hit and we will become no better than Miami or Cleveland trying to buy titles. It worked out for those teams, but maybe because of Lebron being the best and able to will a lot of that.

I want ten years of competition, not an all-in that may or may not work, like Brooklyn tried. Cleveland is riding high right now, but I could see them returning to the bottom of the standings within a year or two, especially if Lebron decides to find himself another franchise to ruin in exchange for fleeting success.

6) Clamoring for Hayward would be no different than if back in the day people wanted to trade for Jeter or A-Roid and swap out Nomar. We were all set at shortstop. If I was a GM, I'd work with what I have and try to build on it, not stockpile the team with redundant players. Like Phoenix with three point guards or Philly with three centers.

7) The point differential has me worried the most. It seemed a couple points higher last year. But I am hoping Ainge gets us a center or Amir and Al Horford find the fountain of youth. Amir looked young yesterday. He's turning 30 in May. He has a lot of wear and tear from coming into the league early, but he seemed fine yesterday, and no way is he only six foot nine. He looks taller than Horford, although Al tends to crouch more with Amir tending to stand upright.

I don't want Danny to do anything rash. I don't want him trading for a big name. The grass is not greener. We are the green. We have the greenest grass by definition. You don't want to use a bazooka to shoot down a mosquito. That to me would be making a big trade. We signed Horford. We didn't have to give up anything for him.

Re: The next 15 games will decide the season
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2017, 12:15:34 PM »

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Blake Griffin is not worth the money he will command. I googled "blake griffin is bad at defense," and tons of people are saying he has dinosaur arms and is lazy on defense. Unless we go in a different direction than Isaiah, no way should Griffin be targeted. You don't want too many bricklayers in the lineup and conversely, you don't want too many mediocre players on defense.

I'd rather Danny target a tall athletic center like Noel. Or if we had a younger version of Gortat, we'd be all set. It's easier to find power forwards than centers. A bit younger Amir Johnson might have been the guy. The league has changed, so we don't need the next Shaq or Wilt Chamberlain.

Re: The next 15 games will decide the season
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2017, 12:35:13 PM »

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It took a while for the team to gel after the early season injuries, but it definitely happened.

The team defense is unreliable. They won't be able to win by outshooting opponents in the playoffs, maybe not even in the first round. They are last in defensive rebounding. I won't say "fool's gold" - what you're seeing is real - but at this rate the likely expectations around playoff success are bound to be disappointed.

Great point.

It's fascinating how many around here don't grasp the radical difference between the regular season and the playoffs.

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