What to do with Sully and Zeller now?

[saltlover]

Zeller is definitely gone.  He's shown enough as a back up center to get far more than Boston will pay to keep him.

Sully is a different story.  He looked so bad to end the year, he may not get a multi-year deal he feels like taking.  I could see Sully playing for the QO and trying to get a bigger deal next year.

Mike

His pre and post all-star game numbers were practically identical.  There wasn't a huge difference.

He had a bad playoff series, but so did Harrison Barnes, and that hasn't stopped him from getting paid.  No way does he take his QO.

Right, but Barnes is the far superior athlete and shooter, and also doesn't have Sullinger's weight and attitude/character problems.

I'm not saying Sully is getting a max deal.  I'm saying NBA teams don't overemphasize a six-game playoff series.  He played 81 games.  Jon Leuer just got $42 million for four years.  He can do far better than his one year, $4.4 million QO.

[hagar55voa]

Sign Zeller to a deal...Let Sullinger go...

[ashanm10]

well depends how much we like our rookies

otherwise we bring back everyone i guess to reach salary floor and use them for trades maybe if we can

[BudweiserCeltic]

Not sure if it's mentioned yet, but keep this in mind, unless Horford takes a slight paycut, we can't keep everyone even after the assumption that you stash Yabusele and Zizic, and also dump Young, we'd still be about $500,000 off being able to keep everyone else if desired (Amir, Jerebko, Zeller, and Sullinger).

Again, not saying what we should do, but to keep that tidbit in mind.

Nevermind what I said above, I was using my wrong chart (this one included Durant and only keeping Jerebko, and we'd be ($579,600) off being able to do so). Anyways a moot point now.

[SHAQATTACK]

Sign Zeller to a deal...Let Sullinger go...

I could live with this .  .....I guess 

[kozlodoev]

Zeller is definitely gone.  He's shown enough as a back up center to get far more than Boston will pay to keep him.

Sully is a different story.  He looked so bad to end the year, he may not get a multi-year deal he feels like taking.  I could see Sully playing for the QO and trying to get a bigger deal next year.

Mike

His pre and post all-star game numbers were practically identical.  There wasn't a huge difference.

He had a bad playoff series, but so did Harrison Barnes, and that hasn't stopped him from getting paid.  No way does he take his QO.

Right, but Barnes is the far superior athlete and shooter, and also doesn't have Sullinger's weight and attitude/character problems.

I'm not saying Sully is getting a max deal.  I'm saying NBA teams don't overemphasize a six-game playoff series.  He played 81 games.  Jon Leuer just got $42 million for four years.  He can do far better than his one year, $4.4 million QO.

John Leuer already signed, didn't he? And Sullinger is still out there. If someone really wanted Sullinger, they'd have tried to get him before we figured out the Durant sweepstakes.

[TheSundanceKid]

Zeller is definitely gone.  He's shown enough as a back up center to get far more than Boston will pay to keep him.

Sully is a different story.  He looked so bad to end the year, he may not get a multi-year deal he feels like taking.  I could see Sully playing for the QO and trying to get a bigger deal next year.

Mike

His pre and post all-star game numbers were practically identical.  There wasn't a huge difference.

He had a bad playoff series, but so did Harrison Barnes, and that hasn't stopped him from getting paid.  No way does he take his QO.

Right, but Barnes is the far superior athlete and shooter, and also doesn't have Sullinger's weight and attitude/character problems.

I'm not saying Sully is getting a max deal.  I'm saying NBA teams don't overemphasize a six-game playoff series.  He played 81 games.  Jon Leuer just got $42 million for four years.  He can do far better than his one year, $4.4 million QO.

John Leuer already signed, didn't he? And Sullinger is still out there. If someone really wanted Sullinger, they'd have tried to get him before we figured out the Durant sweepstakes.

As far as I'm aware, July 7th is the first day anything can be official. So we would have had until the 10th July to match or not, long after the Durant decision

[Denis998]

Zeller needs to leave. If he signs the QO, waive him.

[saltlover]

Zeller is definitely gone.  He's shown enough as a back up center to get far more than Boston will pay to keep him.

Sully is a different story.  He looked so bad to end the year, he may not get a multi-year deal he feels like taking.  I could see Sully playing for the QO and trying to get a bigger deal next year.

Mike

His pre and post all-star game numbers were practically identical.  There wasn't a huge difference.

He had a bad playoff series, but so did Harrison Barnes, and that hasn't stopped him from getting paid.  No way does he take his QO.

Right, but Barnes is the far superior athlete and shooter, and also doesn't have Sullinger's weight and attitude/character problems.

I'm not saying Sully is getting a max deal.  I'm saying NBA teams don't overemphasize a six-game playoff series.  He played 81 games.  Jon Leuer just got $42 million for four years.  He can do far better than his one year, $4.4 million QO.

John Leuer already signed, didn't he? And Sullinger is still out there. If someone really wanted Sullinger, they'd have tried to get him before we figured out the Durant sweepstakes.

Um, a few things:

1) There's is a lot of space between a $4.4 million QO and $10.5 million a year for four years, so even if I accept your premise that teams want John Leuer more, it still doesn't mean Sully can't do better than his qualifying offer.

2) But I don't accept your premise.  Why on July 1st would you agree to a large contract with Sullinger, even though you couldn't give him an offer sheet until July 7th, and you wouldn't know for sure until July 10th if the Celtics could match it?  If you think Sullinger is a good enough player to give a lot of money to, you probably think there's a decent possibility that the Celtics will match the offer sheet, meaning you've essentially tied up a chunk of your cap space for 10 days, while you miss out on similar opportunities.  It makes a lot more sense to come back to Sullinger after a) the Celtics use their cap space and have to rescind his qualifying offer/renounce him, or b) most of the other options are gone, you still have money burning a hole in your pocket, and you won't miss out on other opportunities while the Celtics mull over the offer sheet.

[TheSlipperyWhistle]

I'd pay Sully $15-18 million on a 1+1 Amir-style deal.  Whatever a little above market value is.  He could be all the salary-matching we need in a mid-season Cousins, Butler, or Hayward deal, so that the rest of the trade could simply be picks.

Sully will never sign a deal with a team option for next season in a sellers market like this. These are the two years to sign your long term deal. You would have to go way over market value for him to skip next years FA market.


Sully has more leverage than Amir and JJ had when they signed their deals.

He's got Leverage alright.........

[apc]

Not one single rumor about Zeller or Sully...
I Wonder whats up.

[Dino Pitino]

[Rick Robeys Return]

Not sure if it's mentioned yet, but keep this in mind, unless Horford takes a slight paycut, we can't keep everyone even after the assumption that you stash Yabusele and Zizic, and also dump Young, we'd still be about $500,000 off being able to keep everyone else if desired (Amir, Jerebko, Zeller, and Sullinger).

Again, not saying what we should do, but to keep that tidbit in mind.

I'm not sure this is correct. First , as I understand it, we can go over the cap to sign Sully as a restricted FA insofar as we have his bird rights.

Even if this is not correct, Eric Pincus for Basketball Insider who tracks this stuff, has our inclusive salary total at about $82 mill (this is NOT including John Holland and Tyler Zeller, but including everyone else, JY, JJ, AJ, including the current cap holds for Sully) The cap is at $94.143 mill. and if we release Zeller and Holland and keep everyone else, that will leave approx. $12.143 mill (94.143 - 82) in space. We can add to this $12.1 the $4.4 which is Sully's current cap hold. In other words, even without bird rights, we would still have about $16.5 mill under the cap to sign Sully, if we let Zeller and Holland go.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/boston-celtics-team-salary/

[dannyboy35]

Say goodbye to both please. A rude one to sully if possible.