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Which guard would you take with a top 5 pick?

Buddy Hield
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Jamal Murray
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Kris Dunn
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Re: What if the BPA is a guard? Dunn, Murray, or Hield?
« Reply #45 on: March 27, 2016, 11:48:36 AM »

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Hield is a killer in college. Can it translate? Shooting normally translates and he is shooting that rock.

Can his worst case scenario be JJ Redick? Although Buddy looks like he has much more of a killer instinct than Redick did in Duke, I still see some parallels in their senior years when it comes to shooting and just flat out scoring.

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Re: What if the BPA is a guard? Dunn, Murray, or Hield?
« Reply #46 on: March 29, 2016, 09:24:38 PM »

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Murray or Dunn. Not a big fan of Hield.

Re: What if the BPA is a guard? Dunn, Murray, or Hield?
« Reply #47 on: March 29, 2016, 09:31:52 PM »

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Imagine the Celts end up with pick #3, #4, or #5.  Seems fairly likely right now with where the Brooklyn pick is situated.

Imagine the Best Player Available in that spot is judged to be a guard.

That, too, seems likely.

Take your pick:

Buddy Hield, Jamal Murray, Kris Dunn. 


Which one would you take?   The pure point with great size in Dunn?  The braggadocio scorer in Hield? Or the much younger, high upside combo guard with elements of the other two in Murray?
Hield.

But I also think you try to do some trade shopping. It shouldn't be THAT bad to trade from 3 to 1. Or maybe you can get a good pf. Maybe you can call Orlando and get Oladipo and A Gordon or Vucevic for Hield, AB, and picks or something like that.  Maybe you can get  Giannis.

Re: What if the BPA is a guard? Dunn, Murray, or Hield?
« Reply #48 on: March 29, 2016, 10:01:37 PM »

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Hield is a killer in college. Can it translate? Shooting normally translates and he is shooting that rock.

Can his worst case scenario be JJ Redick? Although Buddy looks like he has much more of a killer instinct than Redick did in Duke, I still see some parallels in their senior years when it comes to shooting and just flat out scoring.
No. Heild is far from guaranteed to be as good as JJ Reddick.

Re: What if the BPA is a guard? Dunn, Murray, or Hield?
« Reply #49 on: March 29, 2016, 10:13:18 PM »

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Hield is a killer in college. Can it translate? Shooting normally translates and he is shooting that rock.

Can his worst case scenario be JJ Redick? Although Buddy looks like he has much more of a killer instinct than Redick did in Duke, I still see some parallels in their senior years when it comes to shooting and just flat out scoring.

I'd be interested to see how Hield would react to hearing sexual taunts about his sister and "f--- you Buddy" chanted on national TV.

Re: What if the BPA is a guard? Dunn, Murray, or Hield?
« Reply #50 on: March 29, 2016, 10:18:07 PM »

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Hield is a killer in college. Can it translate? Shooting normally translates and he is shooting that rock.

Can his worst case scenario be JJ Redick? Although Buddy looks like he has much more of a killer instinct than Redick did in Duke, I still see some parallels in their senior years when it comes to shooting and just flat out scoring.

I'd be interested to see how Hield would react to hearing sexual taunts about his sister and "f--- you Buddy" chanted on national TV.

We don't know what he has said to him. This you can find out in draft interviews but I wouldn't put on much stock in it since we took Smart who went after a heckler.

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« Reply #51 on: March 29, 2016, 11:17:20 PM »

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Hield is a killer in college. Can it translate? Shooting normally translates and he is shooting that rock.

Can his worst case scenario be JJ Redick? Although Buddy looks like he has much more of a killer instinct than Redick did in Duke, I still see some parallels in their senior years when it comes to shooting and just flat out scoring.

I'd be interested to see how Hield would react to hearing sexual taunts about his sister and "f--- you Buddy" chanted on national TV.

We don't know what he has said to him. This you can find out in draft interviews but I wouldn't put on much stock in it since we took Smart who went after a heckler.

I meant JJ Reddick. The hate for that kid was real when he was at Duke.

Re: What if the BPA is a guard? Dunn, Murray, or Hield?
« Reply #52 on: March 30, 2016, 09:25:58 PM »

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if BPA is a guard, we've likely slipped to #5 because I think Bender and Brown would rate above those 3.  Personally, I'd trade the pick for a good vet.

I don't really think a "good vet" of the sort that would be available for the 5th pick is gonna move the needle as much as a productive, cost-controlled prospect would.

I also don't like Bender or Brown nearly that much.  The floor for both guys is just too low for a top 5 pick if you ask me.
I disagree on the good vet.  Obviously the pick will be used with other assets if traded.  A pick that high in the draft will only go out the door for a player that, if not an all-star, is in the discussion a number of years

Re: What if the BPA is a guard? Dunn, Murray, or Hield?
« Reply #53 on: April 01, 2016, 01:03:18 PM »

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In the last 20 years 15 college players have scored over 900 points in a season, it's a short list (by the way Steph Curry is the only player to have done it in back to back seasons in the last two decades).  Hield is on the list as well as the aforementioned Curry, Allen Iverson, JJ Reddick, Kevin Durant, Kemba Walker, Doug McDermott, and Adam Morrison, the rest of the list is made up of players from small schools who (if I had to guess) were their teams' entire offense (think Jimmer Fredette). 

Even if you ignore the obvious personality quirks and devastating knee injury Adam Morrison suffered and say he's a flat out NBA bust, that's still pretty good company. 
 

Re: What if the BPA is a guard? Dunn, Murray, or Hield?
« Reply #54 on: April 01, 2016, 01:13:03 PM »

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I like Murray because of his age. He didn't shoot as well as Hield this year, but not that much worse. His shooting compared to Hield's freshman year shooting is a landslide Murray victory though.

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Re: What if the BPA is a guard? Dunn, Murray, or Hield?
« Reply #55 on: April 01, 2016, 01:13:11 PM »

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Hield is a killer in college. Can it translate? Shooting normally translates and he is shooting that rock.

Can his worst case scenario be JJ Redick? Although Buddy looks like he has much more of a killer instinct than Redick did in Duke, I still see some parallels in their senior years when it comes to shooting and just flat out scoring.

So Redick was more consistent in college (His seasonal 3 point percentage never dropped below 40%), but Buddy's best season was better than Redick's best season from an efficiency standpoint by fair margin.

Buddy also rebounds at about three times the rate Redick did in college.   

The thing that impresses me most about Buddy though is that his PER has been between 31 and 33 all season long, which is just monstrous for a scorer taking as many shots as he has... Although I guess it's not surprising since his pre-game shooting ritual reportedly lasts 4-5 hours (Ray Allenesque right?).   

Re: What if the BPA is a guard? Dunn, Murray, or Hield?
« Reply #56 on: April 01, 2016, 01:20:16 PM »

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I think my answer is Hield or Murray. 

Makes Bradley replaceable.  Makes it easier to include Smart in a trade for a big.  Provides an eventual heir to Isaiah once he begins a rapid decline in 2-3 years.  Should be able to play beside any of our current guards.

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We don't need another pg. I'd personally take Hield because I favor what they can contribute now vs. 2-3 years. I think Hield has a bigger impact on a team his first few years. But I can see drafting Murray too since we already know Hield's ceiling and likely full potential.
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Re: What if the BPA is a guard? Dunn, Murray, or Hield?
« Reply #57 on: April 01, 2016, 01:32:28 PM »

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Hield is a killer in college. Can it translate? Shooting normally translates and he is shooting that rock.

Can his worst case scenario be JJ Redick? Although Buddy looks like he has much more of a killer instinct than Redick did in Duke, I still see some parallels in their senior years when it comes to shooting and just flat out scoring.

I think Hield's worst case scenario may be Kevin Martin: a 20-point scorer who doesn't offer much else on offense and virtually nothing on defense.

I think Hield should be better than that, though. Excellent work ethic and character.
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Re: What if the BPA is a guard? Dunn, Murray, or Hield?
« Reply #58 on: April 01, 2016, 01:36:56 PM »

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Any one of them would put Smart on the bench.

I will toast to that if it happens.

Re: What if the BPA is a guard? Dunn, Murray, or Hield?
« Reply #59 on: April 01, 2016, 03:55:59 PM »

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Dunn = KP