Woj Update(s) on Boston

[mef730]

Adrian Wojnarowski
@WojVerticalNBA

Sources: Seventy minutes until deadline -- and Dwight Howard remains firmly in Houston. Rockets know how to make deals, so it isn't over.

Adrian Wojnarowski
@WojVerticalNBA

Sources: So far, Boston is sitting out the Dwight Howard talks.

whos gonna blink first?

If anyone blinks, it will be Houston. But I'm guessing that there's no blinking for the next 52 minutes.

Mike

[SHAQATTACK]

One less asset for CLE to use down the road.

Cleveland Nets ......gambling it all on LeBron


And they could be using wiggins for the cheap .....instead of Love .


Oh such an Epic fail .....headed their way

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Brian Windhorst @WindhorstESPN
2018 1st round pick Cavs are trading to Portland is top 10 protected for 2 years. Cavs also created new trade exception of $9.6M

OK so in summation of our ongoing discussion about Portland, they received a pick likely to be in the 20s 3 drafts from now for the right to pay Varajao like $12.5mil (unless I'm wrong about his money being guaranteed next year). And they still haven't reached the floor element, should they care to.

Objectively, I'd say that's somewhere in the middle of what we've been debating on who pays who for value. Anyway, what's done is done (unfortunately).

Don't have time to analyze it all, heading to a meeting now, to study the pros and cons... so I'll get back to it later.

Anyways, the main position of mine was when there's competition one can't assume you'll manage to trade what you dump at no cost, and getting further value on top of it.

Like in a vacuum, if it's only Boston and Portland negotiating then sure I'd see them trading a 2nd rounder to reach the floor. I mean, that was my position months ago when this idea first surfaced. But the mistake we were all doing, including me, is that we didn't factor the value other teams might gain from such trade and what they'd be willing to pay, if anything, to acquire that value (dump salary + TPE which can be traded at the draft).

I follow. Let's see when all the trade details here -- and anything else Portland does before 3pm -- shake out.

Meanwhile, more fuel for your fire, BuschC.

Brian Roberts, acquired by Miami from Charlotte, goes into Portland cap space, source says. Blazers also get 2nd-round pick. ~ Ken Berger

‏Portland is accomplishing two significant things today: Gathering draft assets and reaching the salary cap floor. ~ Adrian Wojnarowski

[fairweatherfan]

Zach Lowe ‏@ZachLowe_NBA  3m3 minutes ago
To my knowledge, neither BOS/CHA has ever shown any interest in making a real offer for Dwight. I'm not sure any team has. 52 minutes to go.


There's as much of a trade market for Dwight as we expected, seems like. 

And why would there be?  If Houston's not going to resign him, trading for him just means his agent demands more years/$.  You'd have to really really want him to be willing to pay extra twice (trade and contract).

[j804]

We probably don't see Dwight is worth the risk/reward of being a coach/chemistry killer with what we got going on

Welp that was a boring trade deadline.

[rondohondo]

when atlanta heard dwight wanted to come to atl , they thought

Why not just re-sign Horford, and then Howard as a fa

Core = Teague,Millsap,Schroder, Horford, Howard

Nice!

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Core = Teague,Millsap,Schroder, Millsap, Horford, Howard

That team wins nothing.

I seriously doubt the Hawks buy on Howard this summer. Has anyone anywhere ever suggested that ATL has any interest in Howard (instead of the other way around)?

 

[fairweatherfan]

Brian Windhorst @WindhorstESPN
2018 1st round pick Cavs are trading to Portland is top 10 protected for 2 years. Cavs also created new trade exception of $9.6M

OK so in summation of our ongoing discussion about Portland, they received a pick likely to be in the 20s 3 drafts from now for the right to pay Varajao like $12.5mil (unless I'm wrong about his money being guaranteed next year). And they still haven't reached the floor element, should they care to.

Objectively, I'd say that's somewhere in the middle of what we've been debating on who pays who for value. Anyway, what's done is done (unfortunately).

Don't have time to analyze it all, heading to a meeting now, to study the pros and cons... so I'll get back to it later.

Anyways, the main position of mine was when there's competition one can't assume you'll manage to trade what you dump at no cost, and getting further value on top of it.

Like in a vacuum, if it's only Boston and Portland negotiating then sure I'd see them trading a 2nd rounder to reach the floor. I mean, that was my position months ago when this idea first surfaced. But the mistake we were all doing, including me, is that we didn't factor the value other teams might gain from such trade and what they'd be willing to pay, if anything, to acquire that value (dump salary + TPE which can be traded at the draft).

I follow. Let's see when all the trade details here -- and anything else Portland does before 3pm -- shake out.

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA  7m7 minutes ago
MIami has traded guard Brian Roberts and a second-round pick to Portland, league source tells @TheVertical

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA  4m4 minutes ago
Portland is accomplishing two significant things today: Gathering draft assets and reaching the salary cap floor.


I think the debate on whether Portland would get paid for their cap space or pay out to reach the floor is settled at this point.  Varejao's next year is the only factor that seems to speak against it. 

[SHAQATTACK]

Keep reading Howard wants out .

It's a mess in Houston already.   

They won't be happy with an unhappy childish Howard .....that will not play out well.

[JohnBoy65]

Keep reading Howard wants out .

It's a mess in Houston already.   

They won't be happy with an unhappy childish Howard .....that will not play out well.

Starting to sound like a buy low candidate at 2:59.....

[Quetzalcoatl]

Keep reading Howard wants out .

It's a mess in Houston already.   

They won't be happy with an unhappy childish Howard .....that will not play out well.

Yeah I mean I get that Houston and ATL want value back for their stars but:

Houston: Dwight is unhappy, there are stories leaking about him and Harden disliking each other, he's going to want a ton of money this off season, they just gave up D-Mo for peanuts, Denver owns their 1st rounder this year, they might not even make the playoffs and they're definitely not winning a championship this year. 

Atlanta: they're losing in the second round, they're never winning a championship with their current roster, they're going to either lose Horford for nothing or pay him $30 million when he's 36 years old. 

So they're in a bad spot, but it takes leadership to actually do something about it.  They're just going down with the ship.

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Brian Windhorst @WindhorstESPN
2018 1st round pick Cavs are trading to Portland is top 10 protected for 2 years. Cavs also created new trade exception of $9.6M

OK so in summation of our ongoing discussion about Portland, they received a pick likely to be in the 20s 3 drafts from now for the right to pay Varajao like $12.5mil (unless I'm wrong about his money being guaranteed next year). And they still haven't reached the floor element, should they care to.

Objectively, I'd say that's somewhere in the middle of what we've been debating on who pays who for value. Anyway, what's done is done (unfortunately).

Don't have time to analyze it all, heading to a meeting now, to study the pros and cons... so I'll get back to it later.

Anyways, the main position of mine was when there's competition one can't assume you'll manage to trade what you dump at no cost, and getting further value on top of it.

Like in a vacuum, if it's only Boston and Portland negotiating then sure I'd see them trading a 2nd rounder to reach the floor. I mean, that was my position months ago when this idea first surfaced. But the mistake we were all doing, including me, is that we didn't factor the value other teams might gain from such trade and what they'd be willing to pay, if anything, to acquire that value (dump salary + TPE which can be traded at the draft).

I follow. Let's see when all the trade details here -- and anything else Portland does before 3pm -- shake out.

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA  7m7 minutes ago
MIami has traded guard Brian Roberts and a second-round pick to Portland, league source tells @TheVertical

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA  4m4 minutes ago
Portland is accomplishing two significant things today: Gathering draft assets and reaching the salary cap floor.


I think the debate on whether Portland would get paid for their cap space or pay out to reach the floor is settled at this point.  Varejao's next year is the only factor that seems to speak against it.

I posted those above. Sure, but the two things are related. Paul Allen chose late picks over cash. He's spending for those picks. My error is not recognizing that's Allen's way -- always has been. many other owners (especially in small markets) go the other way, at least as it pertains to largely second round material.

But good for the Blazers -- nicely done. You need cracks in the draft if you're a team based in Portland, and Allen has cash to burn.