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Starting Lineup
« on: February 04, 2016, 03:14:38 PM »

Offline MikeJelly

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Hey guys,

So I was wondering what you all think of the current starting line up. Here are my thoughts:
- I still enjoy IT starting at point
- I'm torn between starting Smart at SG or AB. AB seems to be the more all around player right now but Smart has the higher ceiling. I'm a strong believer that player usage is how you develop stars and having Smart come off the bench isn't how you develop a star. I would slowly transition Smart back into the starting lineup.
- I like Crowder at the 3. He's become a good consistent scoring threat and he still plays that lock down defense we all know and love. I don't see him losing his starting spot unless we draft Simmons or Ingram (and even then I still think Brad makes the kids earn the spot)
- In regards to the PF and C, I have just one request. START KO. Seriously, the kid is making a jump this year and just like I said before, usage develops players. I dont see Amir being part of the long term plan and I always feel like Sully just doesn't necessarily fit the style of play we want. KO sure does.

So just let me know what you guys think!

PS. I also wouldn't mind experimenting with a small ball starting lineup where the 1, 2, 3 and 4 are IT, AB, Smart (remember how he bodied Porzingis?), and Crowder. This would solve the SG problem I was talking about up top^

-MJ

Re: Starting Lineup
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2016, 03:57:41 PM »

Offline coffee425

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Hey guys,

So I was wondering what you all think of the current starting line up. Here are my thoughts:
- I still enjoy IT starting at point
- I'm torn between starting Smart at SG or AB. AB seems to be the more all around player right now but Smart has the higher ceiling. I'm a strong believer that player usage is how you develop stars and having Smart come off the bench isn't how you develop a star. I would slowly transition Smart back into the starting lineup.
- I like Crowder at the 3. He's become a good consistent scoring threat and he still plays that lock down defense we all know and love. I don't see him losing his starting spot unless we draft Simmons or Ingram (and even then I still think Brad makes the kids earn the spot)
- In regards to the PF and C, I have just one request. START KO. Seriously, the kid is making a jump this year and just like I said before, usage develops players. I dont see Amir being part of the long term plan and I always feel like Sully just doesn't necessarily fit the style of play we want. KO sure does.

So just let me know what you guys think!

PS. I also wouldn't mind experimenting with a small ball starting lineup where the 1, 2, 3 and 4 are IT, AB, Smart (remember how he bodied Porzingis?), and Crowder. This would solve the SG problem I was talking about up top^

-MJ


Pros/Cons to both
If Marcus starts, IT4 can play off the ball more.
If Avery sits, ET becomes our only ballhandler for the bench unit.
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Re: Starting Lineup
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2016, 04:03:19 PM »

Offline jambr380

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I am with you on KO, but he seems to be slumping from 3 his last three or so games. To supplant Sully in the starting line-up, I think he needs to string together a few more solid games off the bench.

As for Smart, he seems to be getting his minutes, so I am not too concerned.

Re: Starting Lineup
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2016, 04:14:04 PM »

Offline chilidawg

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Hey guys,

So I was wondering what you all think of the current starting line up. Here are my thoughts:
- I still enjoy IT starting at point
- I'm torn between starting Smart at SG or AB. AB seems to be the more all around player right now but Smart has the higher ceiling. I'm a strong believer that player usage is how you develop stars and having Smart come off the bench isn't how you develop a star. I would slowly transition Smart back into the starting lineup.
- I like Crowder at the 3. He's become a good consistent scoring threat and he still plays that lock down defense we all know and love. I don't see him losing his starting spot unless we draft Simmons or Ingram (and even then I still think Brad makes the kids earn the spot)
- In regards to the PF and C, I have just one request. START KO. Seriously, the kid is making a jump this year and just like I said before, usage develops players. I dont see Amir being part of the long term plan and I always feel like Sully just doesn't necessarily fit the style of play we want. KO sure does.

So just let me know what you guys think!

PS. I also wouldn't mind experimenting with a small ball starting lineup where the 1, 2, 3 and 4 are IT, AB, Smart (remember how he bodied Porzingis?), and Crowder. This would solve the SG problem I was talking about up top^

-MJ

I think this was the lineup with either Amir or Zeller down the stretch last night.  It's really small ball, but seems to work.

Re: Starting Lineup
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2016, 04:22:09 PM »

Offline Rosco917

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Hey guys,

So I was wondering what you all think of the current starting line up. Here are my thoughts:
- I still enjoy IT starting at point
- I'm torn between starting Smart at SG or AB. AB seems to be the more all around player right now but Smart has the higher ceiling. I'm a strong believer that player usage is how you develop stars and having Smart come off the bench isn't how you develop a star. I would slowly transition Smart back into the starting lineup.
- I like Crowder at the 3. He's become a good consistent scoring threat and he still plays that lock down defense we all know and love. I don't see him losing his starting spot unless we draft Simmons or Ingram (and even then I still think Brad makes the kids earn the spot)
- In regards to the PF and C, I have just one request. START KO. Seriously, the kid is making a jump this year and just like I said before, usage develops players. I dont see Amir being part of the long term plan and I always feel like Sully just doesn't necessarily fit the style of play we want. KO sure does.

So just let me know what you guys think!

PS. I also wouldn't mind experimenting with a small ball starting lineup where the 1, 2, 3 and 4 are IT, AB, Smart (remember how he bodied Porzingis?), and Crowder. This would solve the SG problem I was talking about up top^

-MJ



Smart seems to get more comfortable in extended minutes. He actually gets more tuned in and stronger as his minutes lengthen. Where Bradley starts strong, but seems to disappear as the game moves on. I feel AB would make a nice scoring option off the bench, with Smart the starter.

The problem with starting KO is he'll be in foul trouble in the blink of an eye. And if you did start him, I like him with Amir rather than Sully.

Also: I'd like to give Zeller another shot at some extended minutes, it would be nice to have a 7 footer we can call on.

Re: Starting Lineup
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2016, 10:00:38 AM »

Offline hagar55voa

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Amen to Zeller getting to play more minutes...

Re: Starting Lineup
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2016, 10:12:40 AM »

Offline celts55

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Torn on starting Smart or Bradley, but I lean towards Smart. I think he pairs well with IT. Bradley off the bench with Turner works. Could really go either way.
Personally I like Kelly off the bench. Gives them another scorer to go with Turner off the bench. Helps open the floor and for whatever reason, appears to be more comfortable off the bench.

Re: Starting Lineup
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2016, 10:20:36 AM »

Offline BudweiserCeltic

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Start KO with Sullinger, who have been very good together, and bring Amir off the bench who is pretty much our best big for small ball.

I was on-board earlier when KO got into the starting unit, but the balance with our bench was highly affected, so I'm not so sure I want KO in the starting unit simply because he has a good role off the bench.

But I'm willing to try it again, if it means that he goes in for Amir instead of Sully because it preserves the balance of what we're trying to do, while also putting our players in their best roles to succeed in my opinion. Plus again, Olynyk-Sullinger has worked very well, probably our best big combo this year easily (last I checked).

If we bring Sullinger off the bench instead, then I think we'll see much of the same problems we saw in early in January... trying to solve something that isn't broken, while at the same time causing costly problems. Part of it was that Sullinger is simply not a good option for small ball, yet brad insisted on it. When he got paired with Zeller, at least they functioned (except when a instance or two in which Zeller was brutally bad, but he seems to be playing quite better now).

So I'm not really worried with who starts and who doesn't, but more worried with the strategy Stevens employs with his rotations.

It serves no purpose starting Kelly if it means that Stevens will begin using Sullinger more in small ball units. But if he goes big off the bench, then we can probably work it out, though I prefer Olynyk's role off the bench in this particular case. Outside of that, I lean to my preferred pair to start with Olynyk-Sullinger, and have Amir off the bench and balance our small ball units.

Re: Starting Lineup
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2016, 10:32:50 AM »

Offline Sketch5

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I'd like to see Smart at the PG and IT at the SG running around picks like Allen did. Then it gets Smart a bunch of assists and make him look more relevant on the offensive end if he's not hitting his shot. Which Having It out there opens him up a bit.

I wouldn't mind seeing Amir and Zeller out at the same time. I would say start, they would be great on the boards, pick and rolls especially on the D were they can pick up guys Sully and KO can't. But then that leaves Sully and KO on the bench which may hurt them on the D. But even for 10 mins I'd like to see it, and maybe Stevens has done it in practice and it didn't work out, but to have two mobile bigs usually not a bad thing.

I hope Zeller gets more love, last two games he was solid and did some good things. Especially for some one that has been sitting for weeks.