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Re: NBA hypocrite MUCH?
« Reply #45 on: May 31, 2014, 09:38:12 AM »

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It should have went to a minority?   Do you hear white guys saying their should be more whites on the court.   I don't.   The best players are on the court as it should be.   The highest bidder should win assuming he or she isn't moral jerk that would be a detriment to the league.  The best bidder winner should win regardless of race.   If Oprah bid 2.1 she would have won.    She didn't.   

Quotas for owners is that what you want?   I think the NBA dropped the ball on this one.  There was a long history of issues with Sterling.    Something should have been done earlier and a lot of that rest on Stern turning a blind eye to the issue.

I get quotas for educational opportunities and think they are a good thing.   But I am firmly against them on job or performance based things like construction.   Ideally, the job or contract should go to the most competent person or entity who can do the job best.  I know it doesn't always work that way with some being prejudiced and the good old boy system.   But I am against that as well.   I also dislike nepotism in any form.


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Re: NBA hypocrite MUCH?
« Reply #46 on: May 31, 2014, 10:00:02 AM »

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It appears Mark Cuban should be excepted from the hypocrites because news report just have him saying he would not have voted to remove Sterling. He is also reported to have said he did not care if the fans boycotted his games because of his vote. WOW!!
Link please?

It's from a Daily News article.  He didn't say he what he'd do exactly.  He said he would be the only vote in opposition if he felt it was the right thing to do.  Maybe he wants you to read between the lines, or maybe he wants to straddle the fence.  But he didn't directly say one thing or the other.
That's stuff Cuban said Thursday and it doesn't say what the poster claimed. Maybe there's something else.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/cuban-doesn-care-owners-vote-sterling-case-article-1.1810930

Here is what I read...

http://news.yahoo.com/mark-cuban-let-sterling-keep-team-183206889.html;_ylt=AwrSbnvO3YlT3BAA7VpXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB0c2FxYXU4BHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2dxMQR2dGlkA1NNRTM5OF8x

Re: NBA hypocrite MUCH?
« Reply #47 on: May 31, 2014, 11:16:40 AM »

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It should have went to a minority?   Do you hear white guys saying their should be more whites on the court.   I don't.   The best players are on the court as it should be.   The highest bidder should win assuming he or she isn't moral jerk that would be a detriment to the league.  The best bidder winner should win regardless of race.   If Oprah bid 2.1 she would have won.    She didn't.   

Quotas for owners is that what you want?   I think the NBA dropped the ball on this one.  There was a long history of issues with Sterling.    Something should have been done earlier and a lot of that rest on Stern turning a blind eye to the issue.

I get quotas for educational opportunities and think they are a good thing.   But I am firmly against them on job or performance based things like construction.   Ideally, the job or contract should go to the most competent person or entity who can do the job best.  I know it doesn't always work that way with some being prejudiced and the good old boy system.   But I am against that as well.   I also dislike nepotism in any form.


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Freedom and justice cannot be parceled out in pieces to suit political convenience. I don't believe you can stand for freedom for one group of people and deny it to others.
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So you are for quotas for educational advancement but not on the job performance or hiring. Unfortunately, educational advancements do affect who is hired by companies, and also affect on the job performance. It is a slippery slope. My view is that you caN NOT  give special treatment or any favor base on race, social class, gender etc.

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« Reply #48 on: May 31, 2014, 11:17:59 AM »

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what?

you sell the team to the highest bidder, it has nothing to do with race!

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« Reply #49 on: May 31, 2014, 11:36:01 AM »

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The NBA wouldve looked like hypocrites if they did what you proposed.

If youre upset that there werent more minorities in the pool of serious bidders, this sounds like a problem you should take to a congressman instead of the NBA.
Greg

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« Reply #50 on: May 31, 2014, 12:05:46 PM »

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So the league is scheduled to approve the sale of an NBA franchise to yet another white guy when there were bids made by groups that involved minorities, albeit token minorities.

Once the NBA got itself involved in policing the morality of its owners regarding race relations then should it not be sensitive to the racial composition of its ownership. One black owner out of 30 is not setting the right note is it? Why the rush to sell the team to another white guy? If the NBA can dictate what Sterling can or cannot say in the privacy of its home, why cant it dictate the racial composition of the ownership group of that other LA Franchise that is about to become THE LA Franchise. I do not think the NBA should be the moral police but once it decides to be it has to go all the way. Where are all the civil rights crusaders that reared their ugly heads during the Sterling debacle. Just like they kept quiet as Sterling screwed minorities in housing they are quite again as minorities get screwed out of owning an NBA franchise. Good enough to play but not good enough to own -- just like Sterling said,

Favorite part of the post for me.

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« Reply #51 on: May 31, 2014, 12:31:21 PM »

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If the NBA can dictate what Sterling can or cannot say in the privacy of its home, why cant it dictate the racial composition of the ownership group of that other LA Franchise that is about to become THE LA Franchise.

Because one is possible under the league constitution and bylaws and the other isn't.
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« Reply #52 on: May 31, 2014, 01:07:29 PM »

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If the NBA can dictate what Sterling can or cannot say in the privacy of its home, why cant it dictate the racial composition of the ownership group of that other LA Franchise that is about to become THE LA Franchise.

Because one is possible under the league constitution and bylaws and the other isn't.

I'm not sure what's so difficult to grasp about this.
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« Reply #53 on: May 31, 2014, 01:43:39 PM »

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If the NBA can dictate what Sterling can or cannot say in the privacy of its home, why cant it dictate the racial composition of the ownership group of that other LA Franchise that is about to become THE LA Franchise.

Because one is possible under the league constitution and bylaws and the other isn't.

I'm not sure what's so difficult to grasp about this.

Not surprising.  You've got idiots who claim that the recent Santa Barbara shooting was faked to discredit men's rights activists or who say that Newtown was a hoax meant to justify gun control.  Some people see Sterling as part of some bigger issue and they interpret the matter based on that.
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« Reply #54 on: May 31, 2014, 01:45:08 PM »

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Yeah, its not surprising -- and that might be the worst part.
At least a goldfish with a Lincoln Log on its back goin' across your floor to your sock drawer has a miraculous connotation to it.

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« Reply #55 on: May 31, 2014, 02:19:58 PM »

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So you are for quotas for educational advancement but not on the job performance or hiring.

Yep.  I think you have to have some opportunities given the staggering inequality some face due to their upbringing, neighborhoods and lack of resources.   But once school is out, let the games begin and competency be the rule of the day.  Not everyone is college material.   But some people are really bright and have the deck stacked against them.   What about them?  Asian-Americans do not get the help and are hammered more than anyone by Affirmative Action.

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My view is that you caN NOT  give special treatment or any favor base on race, social class, gender etc.

Our society already has the gender bias look no further than wage disparities.   I also was an athlete and got special treatment in high school , college and the US Army.  Heck, when I go to my hometown even though I played in the 80s people still hold me in high regard and I get fee beer.   You will never get away from special treatment.  Guys knock over each other to hold the door for a pretty girl whist ugly ones get the door slammed in their face.   It's life.

I see arguments from both sides.   That is what I believe personally it does not make me wrong or you right or vice versa.   There is some data that shows there is a Mismatch  (Richard Sander) when people are placed in schools they are not otherwise qualified for.  Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas is against it and he benefited from it and I don't see him stepping down.

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. Government cannot make us equal; it can only recognize, respect, and protect us as equal before the law. That [affirmative action] programs may have been motivated, in part, by good intentions cannot provide refuge from the principle that under our Constitution, the government may not make distinctions on the basis of race."[146]
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