Wish we could've gotten a pick in the first round to get Gorgui Dieng..

[slamtheking]

Dieng was the guy I wanted in the draft last year.  Despite my bias towards him, I think he needs to develop a lot more before I consider him a solid NBA player at this point. 

I still think he can be a solid defensive center in the NBA but probably needs another 2-3 years to develop into a consistant season-long contributor.

wasn't thrilled we took KO over Dieng at drafttime but at this point I think we did fine.

I sort of disagree. I have stated countless times Dieng was the most NBA ready Center in my opinion, yes he needs 1-2 years to develop and get used to the speed of the NBA, but he can still clearly anchor the defense, and has done well so. I hope Adelman realizes Dieng is a viable back up and decent starting Center at best.

I still would have taken Dieng over KO, simply because Dieng is a smart basketball player like KO, but has the wingspan, and speed to play like Sanders.

feel free to disagree.  there's nothing factual about your point, just your opinion, which is fine

[Tr1boy]

Dieng dominating the spurs  on the boards tonight. 15 rebounds (7 offensive).  His length also is bothering alot of shots.  Not shooting that great at 4-15 but is controlling the boards

score is Wolves 89 and Spurs 67 early 4th. 

I wonder at this rate if Pekovic will be available in the summer. Any Pekovic fans here? I wonder if our 2014 2nd 1st as the main package would be sufficient for him

[Vox_Populi]

Important thing to remember with Dieng:

He's already 24, and might be even older than that.

Yep. Happens all the time in soccer.

[D.o.s.]

Important thing to remember with Dieng:

He's already 24, and might be even older than that.

Yep. Happens all the time in soccer.

Speaking of that -- I had to check something today for work, and I discovered that Ronaldo still isn't 30 yet. How absurd is that.

[mmmmm]

I'm also someone who really, really wanted Dieng last year with our 16th pick.    I think Atlanta totally blew it by letting Dieng slip past and taking Noguiera (who has been stashed in international ball all season).   Dieng was the next big taken, all the way down at #21.  Plumlee then went at #22!

But getting Olynyk at #13 was just fine.

Olynyk is in the top 5 among rookies in a ton of important categories and notably among big men, he's doing fantastic.  He's the #2 rebounder among all rookies behind only Adams, whether you measure by per-36 or by TRB%.   And he leads all rookie big men in both points-per-36 and assists-per-36.   He's 4th among all rookies in points-per-36.  He's even 6th among all rookies in BLK%.

If you like 'roll up' stats, Kelly is 5th in accrued Win Shares, 4th in WS/48 and 3rd in PER among all rookies.

I think that, no matter how you slice it, Olynyk looks easily in the top 5 among all rookies and a strong case can be made for being among the top 3 in overall performance.

I think I still would have been very happy to get Dieng.   But I'm not at all disappointed in what we've gotten in Olynyk.   That's great production for a #13 pick.

Aside:  Phil Pressey is easily #1 in Assists per 36, only a hair behind MCW at #2 in AST% and is #1 in both Steals per 36 and STL%.   If only his shooting had not taken so long to get going (his shooting in March and April has been at least 'pretty good'.  Before that, it was atrocious for Oct - Feb.).  Even with the bad overall shooting numbers, Pressey looks pretty good for an undrafted pickup.  If his more recent shooting holds true, he looks even better.

[Monkhouse]

Dieng was the guy I wanted in the draft last year.  Despite my bias towards him, I think he needs to develop a lot more before I consider him a solid NBA player at this point. 

I still think he can be a solid defensive center in the NBA but probably needs another 2-3 years to develop into a consistant season-long contributor.

wasn't thrilled we took KO over Dieng at drafttime but at this point I think we did fine.

I sort of disagree. I have stated countless times Dieng was the most NBA ready Center in my opinion, yes he needs 1-2 years to develop and get used to the speed of the NBA, but he can still clearly anchor the defense, and has done well so. I hope Adelman realizes Dieng is a viable back up and decent starting Center at best.

I still would have taken Dieng over KO, simply because Dieng is a smart basketball player like KO, but has the wingspan, and speed to play like Sanders.

feel free to disagree.  there's nothing factual about your point, just your opinion, which is fine

Likewise to your posts too.

I'm also someone who really, really wanted Dieng last year with our 16th pick.    I think Atlanta totally blew it by letting Dieng slip past and taking Noguiera (who has been stashed in international ball all season).   Dieng was the next big taken, all the way down at #21.  Plumlee then went at #22!

But getting Olynyk at #13 was just fine.

Olynyk is in the top 5 among rookies in a ton of important categories and notably among big men, he's doing fantastic.  He's the #2 rebounder among all rookies behind only Adams, whether you measure by per-36 or by TRB%.   And he leads all rookie big men in both points-per-36 and assists-per-36.   He's 4th among all rookies in points-per-36.  He's even 6th among all rookies in BLK%.

If you like 'roll up' stats, Kelly is 5th in accrued Win Shares, 4th in WS/48 and 3rd in PER among all rookies.

I think that, no matter how you slice it, Olynyk looks easily in the top 5 among all rookies and a strong case can be made for being among the top 3 in overall performance.

I think I still would have been very happy to get Dieng.   But I'm not at all disappointed in what we've gotten in Olynyk.   That's great production for a #13 pick.

Aside:  Phil Pressey is easily #1 in Assists per 36, only a hair behind MCW at #2 in AST% and is #1 in both Steals per 36 and STL%.   If only his shooting had not taken so long to get going (his shooting in March and April has been at least 'pretty good'.  Before that, it was atrocious for Oct - Feb.).  Even with the bad overall shooting numbers, Pressey looks pretty good for an undrafted pickup.  If his more recent shooting holds true, he looks even better.

I do like KO, don't get me wrong, great pick imo. I still think we could've traded or flipped one of our future second round picks to grab Dieng, or given cash considerations.

As for the PER 36, that is a pretty misconstrued stat imo, Dieng didn't even get more than 10 minutes per game, until as of recently when Pekovic, he's slowly been getting the minutes he deserve.

If we follow through the same exact thing with PER 36, Dieng has 12.5 PPG, and 13.3 RPG, with 4.7 of the rebounds grabbed being ORB.

That would give Sully/Dieng a combined 9 ORB per game which is pretty amazing.

[pearljammer10]

Dieng dominating the spurs  on the boards tonight. 15 rebounds (7 offensive).  His length also is bothering alot of shots.  Not shooting that great at 4-15 but is controlling the boards

score is Wolves 89 and Spurs 67 early 4th. 

I wonder at this rate if Pekovic will be available in the summer. Any Pekovic fans here? I wonder if our 2014 2nd 1st as the main package would be sufficient for him

Pek is pretty beastly but he is not a great defender by any means. I would cringe at seeing our big man trio of Pek Sully and KO. Pek and Sully alongside each other scares the bewhooses out of me thinking of the defensive end.

[Monkhouse]

Dieng dominating the spurs  on the boards tonight. 15 rebounds (7 offensive).  His length also is bothering alot of shots.  Not shooting that great at 4-15 but is controlling the boards

score is Wolves 89 and Spurs 67 early 4th. 

I wonder at this rate if Pekovic will be available in the summer. Any Pekovic fans here? I wonder if our 2014 2nd 1st as the main package would be sufficient for him

Pek is pretty beastly but he is not a great defender by any means. I would cringe at seeing our big man trio of Pek Sully and KO. Pek and Sully alongside each other scares the bewhooses out of me thinking of the defensive end.

Agreed.

The Wolves are doing a lot better, and closing out on players driving in the lane with Dieng. Pekovic/Love just isn't a good defensive big men duo to have. Dieng is perfect for what they need, more rebounds on the ORB, while Love grabs the rest on DRB, and can protect the rim while anchoring the defense.

[mmmmm]

Dieng was the guy I wanted in the draft last year.  Despite my bias towards him, I think he needs to develop a lot more before I consider him a solid NBA player at this point. 

I still think he can be a solid defensive center in the NBA but probably needs another 2-3 years to develop into a consistant season-long contributor.

wasn't thrilled we took KO over Dieng at drafttime but at this point I think we did fine.

I sort of disagree. I have stated countless times Dieng was the most NBA ready Center in my opinion, yes he needs 1-2 years to develop and get used to the speed of the NBA, but he can still clearly anchor the defense, and has done well so. I hope Adelman realizes Dieng is a viable back up and decent starting Center at best.

I still would have taken Dieng over KO, simply because Dieng is a smart basketball player like KO, but has the wingspan, and speed to play like Sanders.

feel free to disagree.  there's nothing factual about your point, just your opinion, which is fine

Likewise to your posts too.

I'm also someone who really, really wanted Dieng last year with our 16th pick.    I think Atlanta totally blew it by letting Dieng slip past and taking Noguiera (who has been stashed in international ball all season).   Dieng was the next big taken, all the way down at #21.  Plumlee then went at #22!

But getting Olynyk at #13 was just fine.

Olynyk is in the top 5 among rookies in a ton of important categories and notably among big men, he's doing fantastic.  He's the #2 rebounder among all rookies behind only Adams, whether you measure by per-36 or by TRB%.   And he leads all rookie big men in both points-per-36 and assists-per-36.   He's 4th among all rookies in points-per-36.  He's even 6th among all rookies in BLK%.

If you like 'roll up' stats, Kelly is 5th in accrued Win Shares, 4th in WS/48 and 3rd in PER among all rookies.

I think that, no matter how you slice it, Olynyk looks easily in the top 5 among all rookies and a strong case can be made for being among the top 3 in overall performance.

I think I still would have been very happy to get Dieng.   But I'm not at all disappointed in what we've gotten in Olynyk.   That's great production for a #13 pick.

Aside:  Phil Pressey is easily #1 in Assists per 36, only a hair behind MCW at #2 in AST% and is #1 in both Steals per 36 and STL%.   If only his shooting had not taken so long to get going (his shooting in March and April has been at least 'pretty good'.  Before that, it was atrocious for Oct - Feb.).  Even with the bad overall shooting numbers, Pressey looks pretty good for an undrafted pickup.  If his more recent shooting holds true, he looks even better.

I do like KO, don't get me wrong, great pick imo. I still think we could've traded or flipped one of our future second round picks to grab Dieng, or given cash considerations.

As for the PER 36, that is a pretty misconstrued stat imo, Dieng didn't even get more than 10 minutes per game, until as of recently when Pekovic, he's slowly been getting the minutes he deserve.

If we follow through the same exact thing with PER 36, Dieng has 12.5 PPG, and 13.3 RPG, with 4.7 of the rebounds grabbed being ORB.

That would give Sully/Dieng a combined 9 ORB per game which is pretty amazing.

'Nothing misconstrued about per-36 with the way I am using it though,  I filtered to only the rookies who have logged at least 1000 minutes (and even with that filter, no one in my search results has less than 1100 minutes).

Dieng is playing great, but his sample (just 650 minutes) is too small to really give that kind of consideration to.  That may seem 'unfair' to him - but it is also unfair to hold his small sample up against that of guys who have had to play against a wider variety of opponents and through a full span of the season, often with nagging injuries and such.   

This isn't a knock in any way against Dieng.

If we drop the filter down to just 650 minutes, to include Dieng in, he jumps into the top slot for rebounding & blocks, so that slides Olynyk down one notch in those two categories.  But Kelly still retains his lofty spots in just about everything else, including still being the top big man for points and assists per 36.

I'll stand firmly by my assessment that Olynyk's production and efficiency has put him easily in the top 5 of his class and thus I have zero regrets that Danny made that trade up to get him.

You can't have every good player, unfortunately.

[kozlodoev]

Important thing to remember with Dieng:

He's already 24, and might be even older than that.

Yep. Happens all the time in soccer.

Speaking of that -- I had to check something today for work, and I discovered that Ronaldo still isn't 30 yet. How absurd is that.

Ronaldo is 37. If you mean the bleak Portuguese replica, that's a different discussion altogether

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Meh

[D.o.s.]

Important thing to remember with Dieng:

He's already 24, and might be even older than that.

Yep. Happens all the time in soccer.

Speaking of that -- I had to check something today for work, and I discovered that Ronaldo still isn't 30 yet. How absurd is that.

Ronaldo is 37. If you mean the bleak Portuguese replica, that's a different discussion altogether