Will Rondo screw the C's, twice over?

[BballTim]

Many of those criticisms apply to most of the players you listed. You can look at their stats and be impressed, but when you watch them play you see that they generally only do simplistic things on offense, don't make really accurate or well-timed passes and are frequently oblivious to mismatches or open teammates. Also, most of them will never be threats to make all-defense teams.

Honestly, I just look at which guys I feel are most dangerous and difficult to deal with (from the opponent's perspective) when they're on the floor.  The guys I listed -- especially those top 5 -- play a huge role in helping their teams win games.  Those guys are heavy lifters and each of them brings a package of skills and attributes to the table that no other player in the league can.

Rondo is also a unique player who makes a major impact, but I think the top 5 guys I listed are more dangerous.

  Opinions vary. I'd say that Rondo has at least as big of a role in our offense as any of those players do in theirs. He controls the ball, he directs other players and uses his dribbling penetration to free up the shooters. There's plenty of heavy lifting involved. If you look at all the playoff series we have the opposing teams frequently talk about how they're focusing on controlling Rondo and they're generally unsuccessful in their attempts.

You'll notice I didn't once mention anything to do with their role as "point guard" and which of them is more a "pure point guard."  I don't care so much about position.

  I would agree that the best "pure point guard" isn't necessarily the best player. But the players who have better pure point guard skills contribute to their teams in more ways than the other players, and many of those contributions don't show up in the stat sheet.

[Vermont Green]

Trade him now or potentially let him walk for nothing?

Play him, if he is healthy and has improved his jumper keep him, period.  He always was a jumpshot away from being a top five point guard.   I have heard Tommy say that his jumper is vastly improved.  If this is true and he comes back at a high level he could be lethal to our opponents.   It's a huge "IF" though.

  He's been a top 5 point guard for years.

OK, let's just say that Rondo is the 5th best PG in the league or will be for the next few seasons.  I think that may be a stretch personally but whether he is 5th or 8th may not make all that much difference to my next point.

Is the 5th best PG in the league, who will be past 30 in the middle of his next contract, be worth a max contract to a rebuilding team?  I think that is more the point of this thread.  Will we sign him or will someone else.

I don't think Rondo right now is looking to jump but I also doubt there will be a hometown discount.  I think Rondo is going to want top and maybe even max money.  I feel that would be overpaying especially for a rebuilding team but other GMs in other situation may pony up.

  First of all top 5 doesn't necessarily mean 5th. Secondly, I don't expect the team to go through a long rebuild and I doubt that Danny or Wyc do either. It may happen but more likely than not it will only happen if it's the last option available.

What I think you are suggesting is possible but includes many assumptions.  Since we are a bad team now, in order to become a contender, a likely scenario could be to trade surplus picks for veterans to assemble a core, sign someone big (meaning a top player) and then maybe get lucky in the draft too, all in a season to a season and a half.

Then Rondo needs to return and play better than the 5th best PG in the league (let's say 3rd best).  I further assume that you believe Rondo will be our best player and should thereby be given a max contract.

As I said, possible at some level but to me that is way too many things that would have to go right. 

[BballTim]

Trade him now or potentially let him walk for nothing?

Play him, if he is healthy and has improved his jumper keep him, period.  He always was a jumpshot away from being a top five point guard.   I have heard Tommy say that his jumper is vastly improved.  If this is true and he comes back at a high level he could be lethal to our opponents.   It's a huge "IF" though.

  He's been a top 5 point guard for years.

OK, let's just say that Rondo is the 5th best PG in the league or will be for the next few seasons.  I think that may be a stretch personally but whether he is 5th or 8th may not make all that much difference to my next point.

Is the 5th best PG in the league, who will be past 30 in the middle of his next contract, be worth a max contract to a rebuilding team?  I think that is more the point of this thread.  Will we sign him or will someone else.

I don't think Rondo right now is looking to jump but I also doubt there will be a hometown discount.  I think Rondo is going to want top and maybe even max money.  I feel that would be overpaying especially for a rebuilding team but other GMs in other situation may pony up.

  First of all top 5 doesn't necessarily mean 5th. Secondly, I don't expect the team to go through a long rebuild and I doubt that Danny or Wyc do either. It may happen but more likely than not it will only happen if it's the last option available.

What I think you are suggesting is possible but includes many assumptions.  Since we are a bad team now, in order to become a contender, a likely scenario could be to trade surplus picks for veterans to assemble a core, sign someone big (meaning a top player) and then maybe get lucky in the draft too, all in a season to a season and a half.

Then Rondo needs to return and play better than the 5th best PG in the league (let's say 3rd best).  I further assume that you believe Rondo will be our best player and should thereby be given a max contract.

As I said, possible at some level but to me that is way too many things that would have to go right.

  I don't think we need to upgrade most or all of our starting spots to contend, just a couple of them. Put a decent center on the team and upgrade one of the wing spots and if Rondo and Sully are healthy you have a good team. That wouldn't necessarily take long and we'd have time to add to our team after that.

[Goldstar88]

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[Goldstar88]

And Rondo continues to insist that all changes considered, he wouldn’t want to be anywhere else.
“I love it here, the fans are great here, (president of basketball operations) Danny (Ainge) has been straight with me, so why would I want to leave?” he said. “Why would I want out? This is a brand new start for us as a team.”

"I don't really judge what everybody else did," Rondo said. "I've been in this situation for a long time. I don't really like change. I'm comfortable with the staff and the players. Coach and I are great, and we talk back and forth a lot."

The Celtics enter Friday night's game at Golden State with a 13-23 record and six straight losses. When asked why he would want to stay with a rebuilding Celtics franchise, Rondo answered: "Why would I not want to be? I talked to a lot of people, not necessarily about leaving, but my situation and how fortunate it is. It's a great situation for me. I'm taking another step into a leadership role."

Unless people are privy to his private conversations or inner thoughts, they can't offer anything besides speculation regarding Rondo leaving.

If you were in his shoes, would you stay? Hes accustomed to going deep in the playoffs, Is on a terrible team, Loves the glam of NY and LA, Nearing 30 yrs of age, will be one of the older players on the team.  I'm sure LBJ and Dwight fed the media similar quotes to the one you posted above.

What makes you think he loves the glam of NY and LA?  Is it his "metro" outfits?


Edit:

Sorry, I hadn't read your most recent post.  I see that it is in fact the outfits that make you think he wants to go to LA or NY. 

That's awesome.  You get a gold star!!

it's mostly this actually, Boston never really had a chance...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I622KDc_Q3o

This video is your reason for him leaving?  LOL!!!! 

Going with that absurd logic, KG should be playing in China now as well and Paul Pierce should've been a Laker long time ago

The video was in response to Bleed1989 saying, "What makes you think he loves the glam of NY and LA?  Is it his "metro" outfits?"

If you go back to the first page, you will see the reasons I give for him potentially leaving.

I read your reasons.  Not really saying much.  Nothing but speculations

Of course it's speculation, What would Rondo do? What would Danny do? What's wrong with speculating? Will be exciting to see how it all plays out.

Only thing wrong here are your reasons for your speculations.  They are ridiculous

Which part is ridiculous? All of it?

Pretty much.  The notion that that video you posted suggest any affinity for NY or LA is ridiculous...(ignoring the fact that Rondo has never said anything at all to suggest this.  As a matter of fact, I would go as far as to say that he can't stand both teams.  Not as much as he hates Miami but still.)  So...drawing a wild conclusion off of a fashion commercial is utterly ridiculous.  He has also stated (when he didn't have to) over and over how he never wanted to leave.  He has a championship ring already, he's a big fish now in a small pond, he loves the city, he loves the coach, and has stated a straightforwardness relationship with Danny and the management.  The only logical speculation and conclusion to draw from all of that as of now that is that he's not leaving.  Nothing has suggested otherwise. Nothing

Doc Rivers made very similar statements though, didn't he? Guess i'm just a little more skeptical when it comes to believing what a player/coach feeds the media, vs what their true intentions are. Obviously hes going to try and say all the right things, publicly.

[mr. dee]

And Rondo continues to insist that all changes considered, he wouldn’t want to be anywhere else.
“I love it here, the fans are great here, (president of basketball operations) Danny (Ainge) has been straight with me, so why would I want to leave?” he said. “Why would I want out? This is a brand new start for us as a team.”

"I don't really judge what everybody else did," Rondo said. "I've been in this situation for a long time. I don't really like change. I'm comfortable with the staff and the players. Coach and I are great, and we talk back and forth a lot."

The Celtics enter Friday night's game at Golden State with a 13-23 record and six straight losses. When asked why he would want to stay with a rebuilding Celtics franchise, Rondo answered: "Why would I not want to be? I talked to a lot of people, not necessarily about leaving, but my situation and how fortunate it is. It's a great situation for me. I'm taking another step into a leadership role."

Unless people are privy to his private conversations or inner thoughts, they can't offer anything besides speculation regarding Rondo leaving.

If you were in his shoes, would you stay? Hes accustomed to going deep in the playoffs, Is on a terrible team, Loves the glam of NY and LA, Nearing 30 yrs of age, will be one of the older players on the team.  I'm sure LBJ and Dwight fed the media similar quotes to the one you posted above.

What makes you think he loves the glam of NY and LA?  Is it his "metro" outfits?


Edit:

Sorry, I hadn't read your most recent post.  I see that it is in fact the outfits that make you think he wants to go to LA or NY. 

That's awesome.  You get a gold star!!

it's mostly this actually, Boston never really had a chance...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I622KDc_Q3o

This video is your reason for him leaving?  LOL!!!! 

Going with that absurd logic, KG should be playing in China now as well and Paul Pierce should've been a Laker long time ago

The video was in response to Bleed1989 saying, "What makes you think he loves the glam of NY and LA?  Is it his "metro" outfits?"

If you go back to the first page, you will see the reasons I give for him potentially leaving.

I read your reasons.  Not really saying much.  Nothing but speculations

Of course it's speculation, What would Rondo do? What would Danny do? What's wrong with speculating? Will be exciting to see how it all plays out.

Only thing wrong here are your reasons for your speculations.  They are ridiculous

Which part is ridiculous? All of it?

Pretty much.  The notion that that video you posted suggest any affinity for NY or LA is ridiculous...(ignoring the fact that Rondo has never said anything at all to suggest this.  As a matter of fact, I would go as far as to say that he can't stand both teams.  Not as much as he hates Miami but still.)  So...drawing a wild conclusion off of a fashion commercial is utterly ridiculous.  He has also stated (when he didn't have to) over and over how he never wanted to leave.  He has a championship ring already, he's a big fish now in a small pond, he loves the city, he loves the coach, and has stated a straightforwardness relationship with Danny and the management.  The only logical speculation and conclusion to draw from all of that as of now that is that he's not leaving.  Nothing has suggested otherwise. Nothing

Doc Rivers made very similar statements though, didn't he? Guess i'm just a little more skeptical when it comes to believing what a player/coach feeds the media, vs what their true intentions are. Obviously hes going to try and say all the right things, publicly.

The thing is Doc stated that he never wanted to be part of another rebuilding. Did Rondo said the same? No, pretty much the opposite of it. He's excited because he is the "head" of the team now contrast to Doc that stated that retirement is his option.