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Re: I come with more news from Realgm.. Regarding Paul Pierce
« Reply #30 on: May 22, 2013, 12:23:13 PM »

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So its going to be

PP and Bradley for gordon

KG for Jordan and Bledsoe

PP gets bought out joins KG in LA for the MLE

Would like to send Jordan and Bledsoe to Atlanta for Josh Smith

PG: Rondo    / Terry
SG: Gordon  / Lee
SF: Green  /
PF: Smith / Sully
 C: Dieng?/ Bass

I'd rather send Deandre and Bledsloe for Demarcus Cousins.
Would probably take something like 16th pick, Jordan and Bledsloe for DMC.

Or Jeff Green + Jordan for Cousins, maybe give them the 16th pick if they demand it.

Yep. Maybe I'm just as crazy as he is, but I drool at the thought of adding Cousins to this team.

Rondo: Poor 3PT (24%) and FT (65%) shooter and known to cheat a lot on defense.

Gordon: Inefficient scoring SG (40% FG last season) and not known for being a great defender.

  Gordon's a pretty efficient scorer, he just had a down year.

Gordon's eFG% has dropped steadily, every year he's been in the league.  He was a good scorer (not great) his rookie year.  Still 'ok' his sophmore season.   After that, he's become less and less efficient, relying on volume to get his points.

Defenses have figured him out and he has not yet answered.

Not a good trend.

Definitely not someone I want to pay 45M over the next 3 years to.
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Re: I come with more news from Realgm.. Regarding Paul Pierce
« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2013, 12:25:17 PM »

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So its going to be

PP and Bradley for gordon

KG for Jordan and Bledsoe

PP gets bought out joins KG in LA for the MLE

Would like to send Jordan and Bledsoe to Atlanta for Josh Smith

PG: Rondo    / Terry
SG: Gordon  / Lee
SF: Green  /
PF: Smith / Sully
 C: Dieng?/ Bass

I'd rather send Deandre and Bledsloe for Demarcus Cousins.
Would probably take something like 16th pick, Jordan and Bledsloe for DMC.

Or Jeff Green + Jordan for Cousins, maybe give them the 16th pick if they demand it.

Yep. Maybe I'm just as crazy as he is, but I drool at the thought of adding Cousins to this team.

Rondo: Poor 3PT (24%) and FT (65%) shooter and known to cheat a lot on defense.

Gordon: Inefficient scoring SG (40% FG last season) and not known for being a great defender.

  Gordon's a pretty efficient scorer, he just had a down year.

Gordon's eFG% has dropped steadily, every year he's been in the league.  He was a good scorer (not great) his rookie year.  Still 'ok' his sophmore season.   After that, he's become less and less efficient, relying on volume to get his points.

Defenses have figured him out and he has not yet answered.

Not a good trend.

Definitely not someone I want to pay 45M over the next 3 years to.

I love how you attribute Gordon's FG percentage to "defenses have figured him out" but Bradley's awful shooting is due to his injuries. Gordon happened to be injured the last two seasons too, but somehow that doesn't affect his FG% ?

When healthy, Gordon has been an extremely efficient scorer. Can't say the same for Bradley.

Re: I come with more news from Realgm.. Regarding Paul Pierce
« Reply #32 on: May 22, 2013, 12:25:38 PM »

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Bigs win championships and Cousins is probably the most skilled 7 footer in the NBA behind the Gasol boys on the offensive end and he's 22 years old!!
Do they? What bigs does Miami have? They are fine with Bosh, who is far from the Duncan/Shaq kind of big. What bigs won the 6 championships for the Bulls?

Cousins will likely bring as many championships as Derrick Coleman brought to his teams. High skill level, physical attributes, and drive bring championships. Height is a valuable physical attribute, but there are clearly other ways to win.

Yea and don't mention that Miami has the best player since Jordan .......

Besides that

spurs- duncan
Lakers- Shaq
Celtics- KG
Pistons- Rasheed, ben wallace
Miami- Shaq
Houston- Hakeem
Lebron is the point. You don't have to have the dominant big. Great players bring championships, big or small (though I'm skeptical of the impact of superstar PGs).

If we want to play this game, we can say perimeter players bring championships:

Spurs: Parker
Lakers: Kobe
Celtics: Pierce
Pistons: Billups
Miami: Wade, Lebron
Detroit: Thomas
Chicago: Jordan

In Dallas, Dirk is a bit of a tweener on offense, relying one very Kobe/Pierce like post moves.

Apart from the run of bigs as finals MVP when Shaq and Duncan won from 1999 to 2003, bigs have taken a back seat to perimeter players. Part of this may be the rules adjustments that are beneficial to perimeter players.

The Mavs actually beat Lebron by going big with Chandler and Dirk.
How many guys like Lebron or Jordan come along? Once every  20 years?
Even then do Jordan and Lebron win championships without Pippen and Wade?
You need more than one great player, they don't have to be big, but the easiest way to acquire a game changing, championship player at this point is either drafting one or trading for one. Of all the young talent that is potentially attainable for the Celtics, young talent with championship potential, I can't think of anyone that would come as cheaply as DeMarcus Cousins.

I'll repeat, my preference would be to keep Green, Rondo and Sully and add Cousins to the mix.
But if we had to give up Green and an overpaid, overrated scrub like DeAndre Jordan to have the chance with Cousins, it's a gamble that I'd 1000% take, and I'm pretty sure Ainge would take that gamble too.

We'd still need another piece to win a championship but Cousins gets us closer than Keeping Green, hoping to sign someone like Marc Gasol and then hoping we can get our hands on an all star wing to help Rondo.
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: I come with more news from Realgm.. Regarding Paul Pierce
« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2013, 12:37:49 PM »

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So its going to be

PP and Bradley for gordon

KG for Jordan and Bledsoe

PP gets bought out joins KG in LA for the MLE

Would like to send Jordan and Bledsoe to Atlanta for Josh Smith

PG: Rondo    / Terry
SG: Gordon  / Lee
SF: Green  /
PF: Smith / Sully
 C: Dieng?/ Bass

I'd rather send Deandre and Bledsloe for Demarcus Cousins.
Would probably take something like 16th pick, Jordan and Bledsloe for DMC.

Or Jeff Green + Jordan for Cousins, maybe give them the 16th pick if they demand it.

Yep. Maybe I'm just as crazy as he is, but I drool at the thought of adding Cousins to this team.

Rondo: Poor 3PT (24%) and FT (65%) shooter and known to cheat a lot on defense.

Gordon: Inefficient scoring SG (40% FG last season) and not known for being a great defender.

  Gordon's a pretty efficient scorer, he just had a down year.

Gordon's eFG% has dropped steadily, every year he's been in the league.  He was a good scorer (not great) his rookie year.  Still 'ok' his sophmore season.   After that, he's become less and less efficient, relying on volume to get his points.

Defenses have figured him out and he has not yet answered.

Not a good trend.

Definitely not someone I want to pay 45M over the next 3 years to.

I love how you attribute Gordon's FG percentage to "defenses have figured him out" but Bradley's awful shooting is due to his injuries. Gordon happened to be injured the last two seasons too, but somehow that doesn't affect his FG% ?

When healthy, Gordon has been an extremely efficient scorer. Can't say the same for Bradley.

Defenses definitely MAY have figured out Bradley as well.  Too small of a sample to really say yes or no.

But with Gordon - that's several consecutive years on the trend.  He wasn't injured during all of it.

If Gordon is an 'extremely efficient scorer' when healthy, then he hasn't been healthy since his rookie year.

And Bradley costs pennies by comparison.    No matter how much you might like Gordon (and you clearly are a fan) over Bradley - he isn't worth paying well over $10M more for.

That would be just a brutal waste of cap space.
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Re: I come with more news from Realgm.. Regarding Paul Pierce
« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2013, 08:21:09 PM »

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So its going to be

PP and Bradley for gordon

KG for Jordan and Bledsoe

PP gets bought out joins KG in LA for the MLE

Would like to send Jordan and Bledsoe to Atlanta for Josh Smith

PG: Rondo    / Terry
SG: Gordon  / Lee
SF: Green  /
PF: Smith / Sully
 C: Dieng?/ Bass

I'd rather send Deandre and Bledsloe for Demarcus Cousins.
Would probably take something like 16th pick, Jordan and Bledsloe for DMC.

Or Jeff Green + Jordan for Cousins, maybe give them the 16th pick if they demand it.

Yep. Maybe I'm just as crazy as he is, but I drool at the thought of adding Cousins to this team.

Rondo: Poor 3PT (24%) and FT (65%) shooter and known to cheat a lot on defense.

Gordon: Inefficient scoring SG (40% FG last season) and not known for being a great defender.

  Gordon's a pretty efficient scorer, he just had a down year.

Gordon's eFG% has dropped steadily, every year he's been in the league.  He was a good scorer (not great) his rookie year.  Still 'ok' his sophmore season.   After that, he's become less and less efficient, relying on volume to get his points.

Defenses have figured him out and he has not yet answered.

Not a good trend.

Definitely not someone I want to pay 45M over the next 3 years to.

I love how you attribute Gordon's FG percentage to "defenses have figured him out" but Bradley's awful shooting is due to his injuries. Gordon happened to be injured the last two seasons too, but somehow that doesn't affect his FG% ?

When healthy, Gordon has been an extremely efficient scorer. Can't say the same for Bradley.

Defenses definitely MAY have figured out Bradley as well.  Too small of a sample to really say yes or no.

But with Gordon - that's several consecutive years on the trend.  He wasn't injured during all of it.

If Gordon is an 'extremely efficient scorer' when healthy, then he hasn't been healthy since his rookie year.

And Bradley costs pennies by comparison.    No matter how much you might like Gordon (and you clearly are a fan) over Bradley - he isn't worth paying well over $10M more for.

That would be just a brutal waste of cap space.

  Going from a TS% of 59% to 57% over a couple of years isn't a big enough drop that you could be sure it isn't just noise, and it's hardly a sign that teams have figured him out. I said he was a pretty efficient scorer, not an "extremely efficient scorer". His numbers for each of his first three years would qualify as "pretty efficient".

Re: I come with more news from Realgm.. Regarding Paul Pierce
« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2013, 09:22:51 PM »

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Gordon sucks , can't be serious... nothing but injuries and bricks ...

Danny can DO ALOT better than Derilick Eralick ,  not worried at all , never do something this stupid .

We need a big , who can play m, not another sawed -off short guard who 'll get injured the very first game.