Ray Got Upset with the Celtics Courting KG so Hard

[Interceptor]

Free agency and trades are part of the game. I understand your irritation, but there is no reason to take it to a personal level. Don't forget what Ray DID give us. He was always a consummate professional. Sucks that he is gone, but that is his prerogative. Nobody here has ANY idea what was going on in the locker-room, in Ray's head, or between him and his family, so nobody here has any right to pretend they knew what was going on and insult him over it.

In his own words, he wants to provide for his family, and he wants stability, and he wants a multi-year contract, he wants to start. We offered him double what the Heat could, we could have given him a super-rare no-trade clause (Heat couldn't), and he's not starting unless Wade gets his by a bus. Them's just the facts.

And as for the opinions: what kind of professional gets chased out of town by a moody PG? Don't you expect Mr. Pro to be the last one to pull the ripcord? I submit that he's not the paragon of professionalism that people consider him to be.

It sucks. But this **** happens. Grow up.

It's his right as a free agent to choose where he wants to go, and it's my right as a human being to call out contemptible behavior as I see it. If It comes out that there's some important mitigating circumstance that we fans didn't know about, maybe he gets upgraded to "dirtbag".

Dealing with people who have different opinions than you, that's something you learn while growing up.

[Lord of Mikawa]

i think his decision was based on 5 years of arguing with Rondo.  Ray's decision will make for a more harmonious locker room.  Rondo will jump to another level of play this year without Ray constantly arguing and criticizing him.  Jst look at Rondo's improved play since Ray was demoted to reserve.

Rondo's play jumped when he didn't have to wait for Ray to fight through screens.

[RAcker]

[MBunge]

What did he want? Probably to not be traded to Memphis in the middle of the season as a 37 year old veteran.

SNIP

I guess he wanted more trust from a team that claims to 'need him so much'.

Can we all agree on something?  If it's wrong for Celtic fans to be upset with Ray going to the Heat, why is it not also wrong for Ray to pout like a baby over almost being traded?

Boston paid Ray.  Boston played Ray.  They fulfilled their obligations to him in every way, but he apparently got his little feelings hurt because he wanted more than that.  Well, if Ray felt disrespected by the Celtics, Boston fans have just as much right to feel disrespected by Ray.

Mike

[kg is king]

What did he want? Probably to not be traded to Memphis in the middle of the season as a 37 year old veteran.

SNIP

I guess he wanted more trust from a team that claims to 'need him so much'.

Can we all agree on something?  If it's wrong for Celtic fans to be upset with Ray going to the Heat, why is it not also wrong for Ray to pout like a baby over almost being traded?

Boston paid Ray.  Boston played Ray.  They fulfilled their obligations to him in every way, but he apparently got his little feelings hurt because he wanted more than that.  Well, if Ray felt disrespected by the Celtics, Boston fans have just as much right to feel disrespected by Ray.

Mike

Right, but the Celtics disrespected him first.

[KJ33]

Ray left because he felt disrespected by the Celtics.

He was the one that offered the lowest contract amount two times (10 million 2 years ago and 5-6 this time, that is less than Bass). He was the one that was benched for Bradley.

Rightfully or not. After all, he only received $3 million from the Heat, the C's dont have to pay him more than market.
He wasnt feeling the love so he left.

There isnt one reason. Its not Rondo, its a culmination many things that led him to feel that he was not receiving the respect he felt he deserved.

Ciao - Ray.

I'm surprised Ray 'was torn' over the decision to leave.
We dangled him as trade bait multiple times and told him that he was traded to Memphis for OJ Mayo and he thought he was going.

Everyone is so green eyed in the discussion.

Ego does strange things to men.
Name one Celtic who wasn't dangled in trade bait multiple times since Danny has been running things.
Feeling the love? What did he want?  To throw out the game ball at Fenway?  Tickets to Springsteen?  His picture taken with the Red Auerbach Statue in Quincy Market?
Ray left because he's a merc.  He wants to chase rings with the dancing trio of Lebron, Wade and Bosh.  Ray has forever changed his own legacy.  Hope he goes in the HOF in a Heat uniform, because Boston doesn't claim him.

What did he want? Probably to not be traded to Memphis in the middle of the season as a 37 year old veteran. No one has been as legitimately on the trade block as Ray. We've heard one or two rumors about Pierce and KG in the past five years, but Ray's been in the firing line as the one to go multiple times- Doc even admitted he told Ray he was gone to Memphis.
I guess he wanted more trust from a team that claims to 'need him so much'.
You hope he goes into the hall as a Heat member, and
I hope most of our emotions temper down after the dust has settled and look at what he's done for us. He gave us 5 fantastic, memorable and legendary years and they aren't just vanishing because we're upset for 5 minutes that he chose to finish on a different path.

Yet, he willingly chose to uproot his family and move to a different team in a different part of the country, how much could that possibility have affected him, when given the chance, he did it on his own?  Makes no sense.  The league is a business, it is not disrespectful for a team to explore  ways to get better as its core is getting older.  In fact, many fans here have crucified Ainge for letting the team get so old and not bringing in more young legs. 

After the first 3 years of the Big 3, everyone on the team should have realized that things could be shaken up at any time, should Danny just let the team go down the tubes so that none of the players felt disrespected?  That is no way to run a franchise, at least not successfully.  In fact, if you are mentioned in trade rumors, that means you still have value and that someone else wants you on their team, the total opposite of being devalued.  Just because Ray was offered out as a way to move in another direction in no way meant the C's didn't think he could play any more. If that were true, they wouldn't have offered him twice what he took in Miami. 

Also, the C's had exclusive negotiating rights with KG prior to the July 1st FA period, so of course they pursued him first, it would have been foolish not to do that.  Not to mention the guy just went nearly 20/10 in the playoffs, Ray played nowhere near that level, so of course he wasn't going to be rewarded like he was.  Doesn't mean there still wasn't a very important role for him though.

It all signals to the fact that Ray is just way too sensitive, and many didn't realize this because he is well spoken, great in the community and mostly keeps his thoughts to himself.  You don't have to be openly vocal or flamboyant to be a self-centered or overly sensitive individual.  They will miss him on the court, not nearly as much before, but I think there must have been undertones in the locker room that will certainly be better now.  I am sure Terry will come in full of life, happy as a clam to be in Boston.  Even if Ray did re-sign, I think he would never have been happy here again, mostly for trivial reasons.

[RAcker]

What did he want? Probably to not be traded to Memphis in the middle of the season as a 37 year old veteran.

SNIP

I guess he wanted more trust from a team that claims to 'need him so much'.

Can we all agree on something?  If it's wrong for Celtic fans to be upset with Ray going to the Heat, why is it not also wrong for Ray to pout like a baby over almost being traded?

Boston paid Ray.  Boston played Ray.  They fulfilled their obligations to him in every way, but he apparently got his little feelings hurt because he wanted more than that.  Well, if Ray felt disrespected by the Celtics, Boston fans have just as much right to feel disrespected by Ray.

Mike

Right, but the Celtics disrespected him first.

Is this Flo Allen?   

[Brendan]

What did he want? Probably to not be traded to Memphis in the middle of the season as a 37 year old veteran.

SNIP

I guess he wanted more trust from a team that claims to 'need him so much'.

Can we all agree on something?  If it's wrong for Celtic fans to be upset with Ray going to the Heat, why is it not also wrong for Ray to pout like a baby over almost being traded?

Boston paid Ray.  Boston played Ray.  They fulfilled their obligations to him in every way, but he apparently got his little feelings hurt because he wanted more than that.  Well, if Ray felt disrespected by the Celtics, Boston fans have just as much right to feel disrespected by Ray.

Mike

Right, but the Celtics disrespected him first.

Trading a player is not disrespecting him. And in retrospect, the Celts would have been better off if they made that trade. Ray for a pick and Mayo makes the team better during the season IMO, better off this offseason (Mayo could be had through bird rights instead of trying to S&T for Lee), and better long term (with an extra first round pick.)

Ray going to Miami makes sense in only two ways:
1. Miami wins a championship in next three years, Boston doesn't. Then Ray gets another ring. Better for his legacy. He was already a three team player. Four teams and rings >> three teams and 1 ring.
2. He really hated playing in Boston (for whatever reason.)

All of the rumors about why he left otherwise don't make sense:
1. Money - BOS stronger
2. Security - BOS no trade, MIA may very well trade him (especially if he starts to decline)
3. Family - BOS close to CT home, hospitals that are taking care of his kid, already here
4. Starting Job - secured rotation space, injured SG, likely starter out of gate and if healthy probably holds job, won't start in MIA unless Wade starts at PG (which I'd say there is a pretty good chance of.)

So he wanted more rings - which I respect, but going to basically the arch rival to do it, is dueschy. He just couldn't get past playing for Danny/Doc or with Rondo, or the love other guys got and he didn't, which is a knock on his professionalism.

So to me Ray goes down a bit, but not that much. Also decent chance he enters decline and isn't the great signing MIA thinks he'll be. It's happened with Haslem and Miller already.