Ray Got Upset with the Celtics Courting KG so Hard

[BC1996]

It's pretty clear that Ray felt like an afterthought:

* Multiple trade attempts
* Benched
* Only a two year offer
* Team made a huge deal about re-igning KG, and barely mentioned Ray

Ray is a prideful guy, and I'm sure he didn't feel wanted.  Miami, on the other hand, clearly coveted him.

How difficult is it for them to covet Ray?  I know that seems like an awkward question.  But they already have a title team and a roster full of three superstars for the next several years.  They are also way over the salary cap and have minimal flexibility.  The Heat have FAR less to think about this off-season.  The addition of Ray is more icing on the cake than a necessity.    

I just don't believe that the Heat would have lost any sleep if Ray decided to come back to Boston.  I realize that LeBron and Wade did their best to recruit Ray, but I think Ray was wanted more by the people who should have counted (Doc, KG, PP, etc.)

I don't disagree with your post.  I guess I just view things differently than Ray.  If I was a player I would value my legacy, as well as my relationships with long time teammates more than anything.  If money was dramatically different then I would certainly consider that as well, although it played virtually no role in his decision.

Anyways, I think Ray's decision just highlights how different everyone's priorities can be.  I can't hate on him for seeing things differently.  It's more of an interesting realization than anything else because I expected something different.

What do you think about this and how do you think your values might be similar or different than Ray's?  I'm just curious because I think it's an interesting discussion.

[Gainesville Celtic]

This is Doc just speculating, nothing more.  Ray and KG have known each other since they were in high school.  End of the day Doc still has love for Ray leave it at that.

agree, Doc was guessing in the quote --- and maybe jabbing a bit at Ray.

I'd love to see us go after Carlos Delfino or maybe Jodie Meeks (or maybe even Matt Barnes). Would love another wing defender on this team

[kp4000]

It's pretty clear that Ray felt like an afterthought:

* Multiple trade attempts
* Benched
* Only a two year offer
* Team made a huge deal about re-igning KG, and barely mentioned Ray

Ray is a prideful guy, and I'm sure he didn't feel wanted.  Miami, on the other hand, clearly coveted him.

*Multiple trade attempts and rumors are apart of the business. Rajon Rondo has been mentioned in trade rumors since 2009. What makes Ray Allen different? Paul Pierce was nearly traded to the Nets last season. Ray Allen has been in the league for 16 or 17yrs, he shouldn't take trade rumors personal.

*Benched - It's not anyone's fault that Ray got hurt and Bradley was inserted. I just happen to be that Bradley gave the Celtics a stronger defensive presence and athleticism that Ray no longer has at his age. But he went to Miami for less money and to play the same role?

*Only a two year offer - He'll be 39 or 40 by the time his contract is up. The C's need to get younger at some point.

*Team made a huge deal about re-igning KG, and barely mentioned Ray. True, but the Celtics front office takes blame for constant bad PR as far as getting info out.

   
*Ray is a prideful guy, and I'm sure he didn't feel wanted.  Miami, on the other hand, clearly coveted him. - His pride just tarnished his image with Celtics fans and others. He had every right to leave, but to go to Miami? He'll be in Miami, riding the coat-tail of Lebron and Wade. If they win another Chip it won't be truly earned.

Ray earned banner 17 along with KG and PP. He was apart of Boston's Big 3 and now he's a role playing bench player behind Wade, James, Bosh, Chalmers, Haslem and Battier. It is what it is.

[greg_kite]

I really don't get the Ray hate.  Everyone here loves Perk, but the main reason Danny traded him was because he wasn' coming back once he became a free agent.

We should appreciate what he's done for us, he always gave it everything he had.  He made maybe my favorite play ever as a Celtic fan, the layup against Vujacic to put the C's up 3-1 against he Lakers in 2008.

He wanted to be a Celtic but something clearly changed his mind.  My guess is he isn't chasing a ring.  I think he just wasn't having fun anymore and wanted to have fun again.  That's how I would want to go out.

Good luck to Ray.  He will need it if he has to chase around Rondo or Avery Bradley or if Pierce decides to pound him in the post.

[vwoodruff]

Shuttlesworth was just upset he didn't get courted this offseason by the Cs like he did when he came out of high school. Where's Rick Fox when you need him?

(I'd post the link of Ray's first recruiting trip, but I think it would get me a lifetime ban.)

[Celtics18]

There's a lot of speculation going on, but I'm going to believe that Doc Rivers knows more about the situation than a bunch of professional twitterers named Amico or Amick or Wojiehowski or Broussard or Aldridge or whoever else has been posting and tweeting their opinions. 

Of course, I'll grant you all that Doc's not exactly an objective observer.

[BballTim]

And it's been noted here on the blog that Rondo and KG are the team's "Divos"....hard to please and needing to be catered to.

Ray never got that title....never really got the time to.

  I think that the clear lesson in that is how perceptions on the blog differ from reality. Some people speculate about someone, that speculation is repeated and bolstered by people who either agree with it or think it must be true because they keep reading it and eventually you have a "fact".

[BballTim]

Look, even IF he was upset about the KG courtship (which I certainly wouldn't agree with), the bottom line here is that this just added to the littany of issues that bothered Ray.

Looked at singularly, sure - I couldn't agree with Ray, here.

But on top of the 2-yr trade dangling...answering to petulant Rondo (Yes - some of us have called Rondo THAT before on the blog)...the unstability?

We have to look at the ENTIRE picture here, not just one thing.

I have not seen "one" person say that they blame Ray for leaving, in fact I have seen a lot of people saying they would leave too because of all of the "reasons" Ray supposedly did BUT, most everyone agrees that the team he went to is the issue!

Well, I don't know...as I wade through the sea of "Go to hell, Ray"...."I hate Ray"...."I hope Ray loses"..."Ray tarnished his legacy"....it all seemed the same to me after awhile.

Indeed, some of us wanted Ray gone 2-3 years ago. That drum just kept beating louder and louder until Ray was able to leave on HIS OWN TERMS, whether we like it or not.

I certainly don't like it...never will. My dislike for the Heat ALMOST matches the Lakers, now - almost, but not quite.

Do you believe MOST of us wanted Ray gone over 2 years ago?  I keep coming back to the fact that Ray was the easiest player for  Danny to deal.  Any team can plug Ray in immediately.  There's so many factors that make trading for KG or Paul difficult.  

I know many people on this forum wanted Ray gone but they don't represent the majority of Celtic nation.

I still believe that Ray is being overly sensitive.  I'm sure Doc would agree.

I don't believe that I said most...but some of us certainly wanted him gone.

Just do a search on "Ray Allen" threads on here, lol...I bet you a cookie that he he's been the most traded here on CelticsBlog.

  I'd bet there were at least 5 trade Rondo threads for every trade Ray thread.

[GreenFaith1819]

Look, even IF he was upset about the KG courtship (which I certainly wouldn't agree with), the bottom line here is that this just added to the littany of issues that bothered Ray.

Looked at singularly, sure - I couldn't agree with Ray, here.

But on top of the 2-yr trade dangling...answering to petulant Rondo (Yes - some of us have called Rondo THAT before on the blog)...the unstability?

We have to look at the ENTIRE picture here, not just one thing.

I have not seen "one" person say that they blame Ray for leaving, in fact I have seen a lot of people saying they would leave too because of all of the "reasons" Ray supposedly did BUT, most everyone agrees that the team he went to is the issue!

Well, I don't know...as I wade through the sea of "Go to hell, Ray"...."I hate Ray"...."I hope Ray loses"..."Ray tarnished his legacy"....it all seemed the same to me after awhile.

Indeed, some of us wanted Ray gone 2-3 years ago. That drum just kept beating louder and louder until Ray was able to leave on HIS OWN TERMS, whether we like it or not.

I certainly don't like it...never will. My dislike for the Heat ALMOST matches the Lakers, now - almost, but not quite.

Do you believe MOST of us wanted Ray gone over 2 years ago?  I keep coming back to the fact that Ray was the easiest player for  Danny to deal.  Any team can plug Ray in immediately.  There's so many factors that make trading for KG or Paul difficult.  

I know many people on this forum wanted Ray gone but they don't represent the majority of Celtic nation.

I still believe that Ray is being overly sensitive.  I'm sure Doc would agree.

I don't believe that I said most...but some of us certainly wanted him gone.

Just do a search on "Ray Allen" threads on here, lol...I bet you a cookie that he he's been the most traded here on CelticsBlog.

  I'd bet there were at least 5 trade Rondo threads for every trade Ray thread.

I'd be afraid to make that bet if I were you..

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I really don't get the Ray hate.  Everyone here loves Perk, but the main reason Danny traded him was because he wasn' coming back once he became a free agent.

We should appreciate what he's done for us, he always gave it everything he had.  He made maybe my favorite play ever as a Celtic fan, the layup against Vujacic to put the C's up 3-1 against he Lakers in 2008.

He wanted to be a Celtic but something clearly changed his mind.  My guess is he isn't chasing a ring.  I think he just wasn't having fun anymore and wanted to have fun again.  That's how I would want to go out.

Good luck to Ray.  He will need it if he has to chase around Rondo or Avery Bradley or if Pierce decides to pound him in the post.

I appreciate what KoMe did to help (my FAVORITE player ever) Shaq to 3 of his chips, I even respect him as a player BUT I would bust him in his knees with a pipe (if I wouldn't get in trouble and got the chance to)! I can "hate" people and respect what they have done too! To me it isn't an either or thing!

[pearljammer10]

Honestly, who cares anymore?
I'm moving on.

This. With Bradley coming back for training camp I am perectly happy with Terry replacing Allen. One Terry is one of the leagues top 3 6th men... So he will fill that role greatly. He is three years younger. And he is amazingly clutch in 4th quarters. Allen was great, but Terry is argueably, at this point in his career, just as good or if not better than Ray.

[BballTim]

Look, even IF he was upset about the KG courtship (which I certainly wouldn't agree with), the bottom line here is that this just added to the littany of issues that bothered Ray.

Looked at singularly, sure - I couldn't agree with Ray, here.

But on top of the 2-yr trade dangling...answering to petulant Rondo (Yes - some of us have called Rondo THAT before on the blog)...the unstability?

We have to look at the ENTIRE picture here, not just one thing.

I have not seen "one" person say that they blame Ray for leaving, in fact I have seen a lot of people saying they would leave too because of all of the "reasons" Ray supposedly did BUT, most everyone agrees that the team he went to is the issue!

Well, I don't know...as I wade through the sea of "Go to hell, Ray"...."I hate Ray"...."I hope Ray loses"..."Ray tarnished his legacy"....it all seemed the same to me after awhile.

Indeed, some of us wanted Ray gone 2-3 years ago. That drum just kept beating louder and louder until Ray was able to leave on HIS OWN TERMS, whether we like it or not.

I certainly don't like it...never will. My dislike for the Heat ALMOST matches the Lakers, now - almost, but not quite.

Do you believe MOST of us wanted Ray gone over 2 years ago?  I keep coming back to the fact that Ray was the easiest player for  Danny to deal.  Any team can plug Ray in immediately.  There's so many factors that make trading for KG or Paul difficult.  

I know many people on this forum wanted Ray gone but they don't represent the majority of Celtic nation.

I still believe that Ray is being overly sensitive.  I'm sure Doc would agree.

I don't believe that I said most...but some of us certainly wanted him gone.

Just do a search on "Ray Allen" threads on here, lol...I bet you a cookie that he he's been the most traded here on CelticsBlog.

  I'd bet there were at least 5 trade Rondo threads for every trade Ray thread.

I'd be afraid to make that bet if I were you..

  It might be a little less than 5x, it could easily be more. Although it's true that Ray was thrown into some of the trade Rondo threads because he has a higher salary, but it was still more trade Rondo than trade Ray and it's probably not close.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

Look, even IF he was upset about the KG courtship (which I certainly wouldn't agree with), the bottom line here is that this just added to the littany of issues that bothered Ray.

Looked at singularly, sure - I couldn't agree with Ray, here.

But on top of the 2-yr trade dangling...answering to petulant Rondo (Yes - some of us have called Rondo THAT before on the blog)...the unstability?

We have to look at the ENTIRE picture here, not just one thing.

I have not seen "one" person say that they blame Ray for leaving, in fact I have seen a lot of people saying they would leave too because of all of the "reasons" Ray supposedly did BUT, most everyone agrees that the team he went to is the issue!

Well, I don't know...as I wade through the sea of "Go to hell, Ray"...."I hate Ray"...."I hope Ray loses"..."Ray tarnished his legacy"....it all seemed the same to me after awhile.

Indeed, some of us wanted Ray gone 2-3 years ago. That drum just kept beating louder and louder until Ray was able to leave on HIS OWN TERMS, whether we like it or not.

I certainly don't like it...never will. My dislike for the Heat ALMOST matches the Lakers, now - almost, but not quite.

Do you believe MOST of us wanted Ray gone over 2 years ago?  I keep coming back to the fact that Ray was the easiest player for  Danny to deal.  Any team can plug Ray in immediately.  There's so many factors that make trading for KG or Paul difficult.  

I know many people on this forum wanted Ray gone but they don't represent the majority of Celtic nation.

I still believe that Ray is being overly sensitive.  I'm sure Doc would agree.

I don't believe that I said most...but some of us certainly wanted him gone.

Just do a search on "Ray Allen" threads on here, lol...I bet you a cookie that he he's been the most traded here on CelticsBlog.

  I'd bet there were at least 5 trade Rondo threads for every trade Ray thread.

I'd be afraid to make that bet if I were you..

  It might be a little less than 5x, it could easily be more. Although it's true that Ray was thrown into some of the trade Rondo threads because he has a higher salary, but it was still more trade Rondo than trade Ray and it's probably not close.

I'm willing to bet after the majority of the games played last season (probably more-so the one before it) there was at least 1 trade RR/RR sucks thread put up! I have even seen some after one of his trip dub performances! I don't think his 5/1 guess is too far-fetched.

[cltc5]

I really don't get the Ray hate.  Everyone here loves Perk, but the main reason Danny traded him was because he wasn' coming back once he became a free agent.

We should appreciate what he's done for us, he always gave it everything he had.  He made maybe my favorite play ever as a Celtic fan, the layup against Vujacic to put the C's up 3-1 against he Lakers in 2008.

He wanted to be a Celtic but something clearly changed his mind.  My guess is he isn't chasing a ring.  I think he just wasn't having fun anymore and wanted to have fun again.  That's how I would want to go out.

Good luck to Ray.  He will need it if he has to chase around Rondo or Avery Bradley or if Pierce decides to pound him in the post.

Perk was traded.  Ray chose to leave.

[Tgro]

Ray needed a Diva Intervention or a Snickers bar.

Unfortunately its too late for either one now.