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Re: Terrence Ross vs Moe Harkless
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2012, 11:02:53 AM »

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Harkless on the other hand is just unproven talent.  He has a lot of work to do to even be a halfway decent NBA player, let alone a star.

I think this is unfair and inaccurate. Harkless was one of the most productive freshmen this season averaging 15.5 ppg and 8.6 rpg.
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Re: Terrence Ross vs Moe Harkless
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2012, 12:01:25 PM »

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Moe also played the 4 and at times the 5 for St. John's last year because they only had 6 scholarship players.  He played out of position and was unable to focus on his outside shooting.  Rumor is his draft stock keeps rising because scouts are pleasantly surprised with his shooting.

The notion that a guy played out of position in college is overexaggerated.  The worst example this year is saying that Beal played out of position at small forward for most of the year.  I don't know what even playing like a small forward means but when Beal got the ball and he got it as regularly as the two other "guards," he played his normal game.   

In a similar vein, Harkless may have technically been the PF his freshman season but he wasn't a back to the basket type, hunkered inside the paint.  He played like a wing most of the time and initiated his offense from outside in.  He was as much as SF as a PF.

Also, why would Harkless playing the 4 or even 5 affect his shooting?  Plenty of 4s and 5s stroke it at a high rate.  If anything, his shooting should have in theory benefited from going up against slower guys who couldn't challenge his shot as well as quicker wings would have.


It affects him because the Red Storm wanted Harkless attacking the basket, so the reps in practice, were primarly, as you accurately mentioned, him getting the ball in the high post, facing up his man, and driving, etc.  With D'Angelo Harrison hitting tons of outside shots, and the Red Storm having a dearth of big men, they needed Moe to bang down low.  No priority was placed on him playing behind the 3 point line because then there would be no chance for offensive rebounds, etc.  Your point is well taken that it's not like he never practiced his 3, most likely, but to not understand how it greatly affected what he was doing in practice and what types of shots he was taking in general, is shortsighted.

Re: Terrence Ross vs Moe Harkless
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2012, 12:43:06 PM »

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Is Ross a good enough shot-creator to be a go-to scorer in the NBA?

Or does he project more as a role player? Say a 12-14ppg scorer?

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« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2012, 01:12:47 PM »

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Is Ross a good enough shot-creator to be a go-to scorer in the NBA?

Or does he project more as a role player? Say a 12-14ppg scorer?
 

Im going with the latter.

He has one of the purest strokes in the upcoming draft class but a knack on him, as athletic as he is is creating his own shot.

I wouldn't really mind that at all to be quite honest. If the C's run plays on him ala Ray Allen where he comes of screens, got some space and fire. I believe he'll be effective that way.
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Re: Terrence Ross vs Moe Harkless
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2012, 01:31:43 PM »

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I truly believe this kid will be a boarderline star, he's been often compared to Jason Richardson which I think is a fair comparison.

Here's a nice scouting video of him for those that haven't seen him much:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Terrence-Ross-5747/

Btw draftexpress has some great scouting videos on a lot of first round prospects
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