Terrence Ross vs Moe Harkless

[Dchuck]

Assuming both are available, who would u prefer?

[BleedGreen1989]

Terrance Ross, absolutely love this kid. You could argue moe has more upside but Ross is the complete package

[Evantime34]

I think Ross since he is someone who can come in and shoot well right away. Harkless probably has more upside but he's raw right now. If we get either I'll be very happy.

[RLewis35]

Moe.  He rebounds, passes, scores inside and out and has great bball iq and attitude.  He could play 3 or even some 4.  Ross was a soph and is just outside ge lottery.   Harkless would be a top 5 pick if e waited till after next year to come out.  Much better value pick and can be groomed to replace Paul. 

[Chris]

Why can't we take them both.  If they are both on the board, I would have no problem with both of them.  The big men at that point in the draft are iffy anyways.

But if I have to choose, definitely Ross.

Harkless has a bit more upside, but he also has much more downside.

I think Ross' floor is as a quality defender/shooter in the Pietrus mould (although smaller).  But I think he could be MUCH better.  His release is very quick, and he has shown a pretty strong midrange game to go with it, as his handle has really improved.  And defensively, he makes an impact.  He is not a shutdown defender (at least not yet), but he is a pest.  If he can continue to improve off the dribble, he could be one of the better SGs in the league.

Harkless on the other hand is just unproven talent.  He has a lot of work to do to even be a halfway decent NBA player, let alone a star.

[chambers]

Moe by a country MILE!
I don't mind Ross but he's the incarnate of Nick Young- very gifted but not as good a shooter as he seems and he cannot get to the hole. I have no idea why he's being touted as a SG/SF because he is only a shooting guard. He's a catch and shoot guard and has virtually zero ability to get to the hole.
Moe can get to the hole, is taller, has a 5 inch longer wingspan and is a better rebounder.(Ross is a very good rebounder but he's a shooting guard).

Moe might not be as good straight away but he could be a franchise player at some point if he keeps developing- he's only 19!!! Ross is 21 and I can't see him getting much better other than his shooting %. If Ross improved his shooting % and worked on his penetration he'd be a very strong NBA player, almost like a poor mans Ray Allen.

For me there's not question it's Moe. He is a true small forward but you can stick him out on the perimiter like Paul Pierce because he hits the three (pretty sure Moe shoots at least 40% from three, I don't think Ross is over 40% and he's a shooting guard).

Edit: He shoots only 20ish% from three. Shoots 44% from the Field.

[Galeto]

I wouldn't say that Harkless has more upside.  He's not more athletic than Ross; I'd say Ross is a smoother, quicker athlete even.  Harkless can play a bit too upright for my liking.  Harkless is a bit taller and longer but they're going to fill different positions.  For their respective positions, they each have good size, not rare size and/or strength like Lebron and Durant possess as far as physical upside.

If they're both available (very unlikely) I'd gladly take both but if I had to choose, I'd probably take Ross.  Harkless may never become the shooter Ross is right now and Ross can still improve.  Plus Ross can contribute in all the categories that Harkless can.  I like that Ross plays both ends, can play off the ball and I really like that he shows signs of not being a pure gunner but can play a team game.

Ross has some similarities to Richard Hamilton and even Ray.  He's wiry, not super long or not long at all and gets a ton of his shots by moving around screens.  I don't think he's quite the marksman that Hamilton was coming out of Uconn and Ross is going to have to develop the floor vision Hamilton did.

[Galeto]

For me there's not question it's Moe. He is a true small forward but you can stick him out on the perimiter like Paul Pierce because he hits the three (pretty sure Moe shoots at least 40% from three, I don't think Ross is over 40% and he's a shooting guard).

Harkless shot 21.5 from three last season.  He wasn't even close to 40 percent.  If he had, he'd be a top 7 pick.

[pearljammer10]

Give me Perry Jones.

[chambers]

For me there's not question it's Moe. He is a true small forward but you can stick him out on the perimiter like Paul Pierce because he hits the three (pretty sure Moe shoots at least 40% from three, I don't think Ross is over 40% and he's a shooting guard).

Harkless shot 21.5 from three last season.  He wasn't even close to 40 percent.  If he had, he'd be a top 7 pick.

Oops, thanks for the correction. I was astounded as to why he was going so late and I've just learnt.

[SHAQATTACK]

WANT a TALL center. 

[RLewis35]

For me there's not question it's Moe. He is a true small forward but you can stick him out on the perimiter like Paul Pierce because he hits the three (pretty sure Moe shoots at least 40% from three, I don't think Ross is over 40% and he's a shooting guard).

Harkless shot 21.5 from three last season.  He wasn't even close to 40 percent.  If he had, he'd be a top 7 pick.

Moe also played the 4 and at times the 5 for St. John's last year because they only had 6 scholarship players.  He played out of position and was unable to focus on his outside shooting.  Rumor is his draft stock keeps rising because scouts are pleasantly surprised with his shooting.

[Chris]

WANT a TALL center. 

Good luck finding one that can play basketball at that point in the draft.

[BleedGreen1989]

WANT a TALL center. 

Good luck finding one that can play basketball at that point in the draft.

Amen to that..hopefully the basketball gods are kind to us and moultrie falls. I would do backflips if we got Ross and Moultrie

[Galeto]

Moe also played the 4 and at times the 5 for St. John's last year because they only had 6 scholarship players.  He played out of position and was unable to focus on his outside shooting.  Rumor is his draft stock keeps rising because scouts are pleasantly surprised with his shooting.

The notion that a guy played out of position in college is overexaggerated.  The worst example this year is saying that Beal played out of position at small forward for most of the year.  I don't know what even playing like a small forward means but when Beal got the ball and he got it as regularly as the two other "guards," he played his normal game.   

In a similar vein, Harkless may have technically been the PF his freshman season but he wasn't a back to the basket type, hunkered inside the paint.  He played like a wing most of the time and initiated his offense from outside in.  He was as much as SF as a PF.

Also, why would Harkless playing the 4 or even 5 affect his shooting?  Plenty of 4s and 5s stroke it at a high rate.  If anything, his shooting should have in theory benefited from going up against slower guys who couldn't challenge his shot as well as quicker wings would have.