J.O.

[Yogi]

http://www.csnne.com/basketball-boston-celtics/celtics-talk/The-Celtic-way-starts-with-mentoring-at-?blockID=698045&feedID=3352
from the horse's mouth...

[butterbeanlove]

I remember a game, I think in the pre-season, where JO headed to the locker room in the second half and when the media asked if he was hurt Doc's quote was along the lines of, he got bored or something.

I HATED the signing after his putrid performance against us in the Miami series but tried to justify it by saying he's only our third-string center. Having him as our starting center heading into this season made me want to throw up.

I wasn't even a fan of his in his last years in Indiana where he would be the best player on the floor in the first quarter and then be invisible for the rest of the game.

And I hated Glenn gifting him playing time while Steamer and even Wilcox were outplaying him consistently.

I am convinced that his departure from this team is one of the main reasons for our renaissance.

Other than that, I'm a big fan. 

[CelticHooligan3]

http://www.csnne.com/basketball-boston-celtics/celtics-talk/The-Celtic-way-starts-with-mentoring-at-?blockID=698045&feedID=3352
from the horse's mouth...

Your point is? A three line paragraph about how avery Bradley had a conversation with jermaine Oneal means what? Where are the articles with Pierce, KG, Rondo, and Ray going to bat for this guy. Find those. This article is irrelevent. Try reading the other links first before you jump to the conclusion that a second year guy speaks for the meat and potatoes of our roster.

[Celtics4ever]

The fact that he was waived is completely meaningless in terms of whether he was liked or respected by his teammates and the organization.

That is a pretty naive statement.   He was released well after he could sign with someone else.   Do you not recall the rumors that he wanted to go to MIA?

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/03/15/jermaine-oneal-wants-buyout/

https://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA/status/180338954829176832

http://www.csnne.com/sportsnetNewEngland/search/v/53368663/d-a-jermaine-o-neal-s-behavior-offensive.htm

I bet the guys loved this stuff.   What a team player.  Someone leaked this stuff to Wojo.

[More Banners]

There are people at my job(s) that I like personally but hate working with and should be fired.  JO seems like one of those.

Deal with performance, not personality (though both are important in team sports).  His performance was so bad that Doc should've been called out early and often for playing him, but didn't simply because his personality gets him a pass on performance time and again.

[Celtics18]

There are people at my job(s) that I like personally but hate working with and should be fired.  JO seems like one of those.

Deal with performance, not personality (though both are important in team sports).  His performance was so bad that Doc should've been called out early and often for playing him, but didn't simply because his personality gets him a pass on performance time and again.

He rebounded fairly well, blocked shots, took charges, and generally played good defense.  His offense wasn't very good, but that wasn't what we needed from his role. 

I like our team without him, but I find the singling out of Jermaine O'Neal as the sole reason for our poor early play to be way too much easy scapegoating. 

[Celtics4ever]

5.4 RPG is not rebounding fairly well.   I can't argue with the charge taking stuff though.

The blame is not solely on O'Neal.   He is half the player he used to be folks.   Some of it should be on Danny ( and I am a big DA supporter) for signing him.  The poor start was also due to poor conditioning across the board ( save Ray) and PP bad foot and no pre-season.

[Celtics18]

5.4 RPG is not rebounding fairly well.   I can't argue with the charge taking stuff though.

The blame is not solely on O'Neal.   He is half the player he used to be folks.   Some of it should be on Danny ( and I am a big DA supporter) for signing him.  The poor start was also due to poor conditioning across the board ( save Ray) and PP bad foot and no pre-season.

Well, his per 36 minutes and rebounding percentage stats are slightly better than our hero, Greg Stiemsa's, for the season.

I'm not calling him a great rebounder, but he was like I said fairly decent. 

[Celtics4ever]

Stiesmsa is backup guy not a starter.   I never been a fan on PER 36 especially when a guy only plays 22 MPG.   He simply is not healthy enough to play 36 so it's pretty disingenuous to use that.

[Finkelskyhook]

5.4 RPG is not rebounding fairly well.   I can't argue with the charge taking stuff though.

The blame is not solely on O'Neal.   He is half the player he used to be folks.   Some of it should be on Danny ( and I am a big DA supporter) for signing him.  The poor start was also due to poor conditioning across the board ( save Ray) and PP bad foot and no pre-season.

He'd have been a lot more than half the player he was if he was in half decent shape.

[Celtics18]

Stiesmsa is backup guy not a starter.   I never been a fan on PER 36 especially when a guy only plays 22 MPG.   He simply is not healthy enough to play 36 so it's pretty disingenuous to use that.

You've hit on an important point.  JO may have been starting games in the beginning of the season, but he wasn't finishing them and he wasn't playing "starters minutes."

He was, in effect, a back up center on a team that didn't really have a starting center.  Even if Doc had started KG at center from day one, JO would have gotten around 20 minutes a game early in the season out of necessity. 

Wilcox was hurt early in the season, and it took him a while to find his form, and Greg Stiemsma hadn't been developed into a legit full time NBA contributor yet. 

[LooseCannon]

Stiesmsa is backup guy not a starter.   I never been a fan on PER 36 especially when a guy only plays 22 MPG.   He simply is not healthy enough to play 36 so it's pretty disingenuous to use that.

You have to consider the context.  It's pretty sketchy math to use per game stats to make comparisons without doing some sort of accounting for playing time.  Per minute stats and rate stats such as rebounding percentage help in evaluating players who sometimes don't get used as much as they should.

Of course, among centers, forward-centers, and center-forwards who played 20-25mpg, as listed on basketball-reference.com, Jermaine O'Neal was smack dab in the middle as fifth out of nine in rebounds per game, between Brendan Haywood an Byron Mullins, not quite as good as Marcus Camby and Spencer Hawes, but not quite as bad as Boris Diaw or Joel Anthony.

[Tai]

There are people at my job(s) that I like personally but hate working with and should be fired.  JO seems like one of those.

Deal with performance, not personality (though both are important in team sports).  His performance was so bad that Doc should've been called out early and often for playing him, but didn't simply because his personality gets him a pass on performance time and again.

He rebounded fairly well, blocked shots, took charges, and generally played good defense.  His offense wasn't very good, but that wasn't what we needed from his role.  

I like our team without him, but I find the singling out of Jermaine O'Neal as the sole reason for our poor early play to be way too much easy scapegoating.  

I think that's the only reason this topic was made; to establish that. Period. If this is not overkill, it never existed.