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Re: The Best Pierce Trade(sorry Capt!!!)
« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2012, 05:35:07 PM »

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Kanter has a history of knee issues that scares me.

Re: Trade stuff from Forsberg
« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2012, 05:36:58 PM »

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I don't like trading Pierce for many reasons, but the biggest is.

If the C's are going to rebuild they need more than Rondo to teach the young talent. Pierce will still be able to compete and start next year, year after who knows but he would at worst be a darn good bench player.

I say if any of the 3 gets traded it would be Allen with the hope he comes back from his half year rental with Say the Bulls and becomes a one year mentor.

KG is a hard contract to move, he'll most likely be the last to go. But I'd love him to be around if in FA with some Red Luck we land Love, KG would be  agood mentor for him.

This is how they did it back in the day. Keep some vets to mentor the young bucks coming up behind them.

Im not sure what DA will be able to get for any one. Wouldn't make sense to trade just to get a hair better.

If we just want mentors to teach young guys we can sign plenty of players like Keyon Dooling, Kurt Thomas, Brian Scalabrine, etc.  Player-coach types who won't play, or if they do play, who will play 10-15 minutes a night at most.

When you're a rebuilding team, your primary goal is to acquire and develop assets.  The greatest and most valuable resource you have in developing assets is playing time.  Giving 20-30+ minutes a night to a guy who isn't part of your long term plans is a waste of resources.
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Re: Trade stuff from Forsberg
« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2012, 05:40:10 PM »

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Bench Jeff Green (5 million), Bass, and fillers
Can we please end the Jeff Green nonsense already?

Why? Green apparently enjoys the city and is said to be around the team. If Ainge brought back Daniels, with his spinal issues, and West, with his legal problems, why wouldn't he consider bringing back Green for the right price?

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Peter Stringer: Doc says Jeff Green joined the team for breakfast this AM. "The best news is that he's going to be able to play again." Twitter
Where do I start?

First, there is no telling whether he'll be ready for next season. If he's in a condition where "being able to play again" is a good news, I'm skeptical.

Second, there's no telling whether he'll be back with the Celtics. He's an UFA.

Third, even if he is ready for the season and chooses to come back with the Celtics, there's no telling how many minutes he'll be able to play.

So yeah, pegging him as a major piece in the starting lineup or the bench is premature at best, and complete nonsense at worst.


1. I have no idea what you would rather hear. All reports have been promising, and for Doc to make that statement means that Green probably met with the cardiologist(s) for a follow up and that too was positive. And it's not like Green would be breaking a barrier here. Turiaf and Thomas are still in the league.

2. Yes, he's an UFA. So what? So was Marquis and he returned. Ainge probably felt that it's highly doubtful that anyone will give Green too much in free agency, so having his rights probably wouldn't be necessary. So you renounce the qualifying offer, making him happy in the process, and then try to land him to team friendly deal.

3. As for how many minutes he'll be able to log, so what? It's a risk/reward type of thing, but after all the scrutiny that Ainge received over the Perk deal you would be crazy to think he wouldn't bring back Green at the right price, to try to save face.

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Fred Hoiberg is the only one of the previous four NBA players to have heart surgery not to play again. Etan Thomas, Robert "Tractor" Traylor and Ronny Turiaf all had the same procedure. Thomas and Turiaf are in the league today. Traylor didn't return to the NBA after his surgery in 2005 but played six more seasons of professional basketball overseas before dying of a heart attack last spring in Puerto Rico. The cause and circumstances of Traylor's death never have been publicized, but at 6-8 and well over 300 pounds, Traylor battled obesity for a good part of his life.

However, Hoiberg encountered "complications", which Green has not:

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During the surgery, I lost about half of my blood. It's really an invasive procedure where they put you on circulatory rest, which basically they cool your body down to 60 degrees and for 45 minutes, you know, really clinically you're dead. They shut your system down. They turn your system back on with a heart-lung monitor. It's really a scary situation.

I had some setbacks during the surgery. I talked to the surgeon. He's done 150 of these surgeries. One time his patient had developed a heart block which required a Pacemaker. I was the second person that had to have a Pacemaker. I had developed 100-percent heart block. My heart doesn't beat on my own anymore. It's because of my Pacemaker that my heart beats right now, which is amazing to me that I’m able to be as active as I am and also almost make an attempt to come back and play in the NBA.

The day I left the hospital, I got home and was having an awful day. I felt terrible. I thought it was just because I was getting out and my first day out of the hospital. I went up to get some fresh air after being downstairs and I lost consciousness and I passed out on the floor. I cut my chin open. I was unconscious for about two minutes.

I was rushed back to the emergency room, and I developed fluid in the sack, my pericardium that surrounds the sack -- surrounds the heart, so I had to get that extracted. The blood wasn't getting to my head, and that caused me to pass out. I fell on my right shoulder instead of my left, where I had my newly implanted Pacemaker.

Re: Trade stuff from Forsberg
« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2012, 05:41:27 PM »

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4. I can't see Utah trading away a building block in Kanter plus the pick. Millsap, maybe. Does he become the Celtics' C of the future, or part of the PF rotation with Bass?
Bass is likely to opt out of his player option at just $4 and Millsap is a better player. So I'd view him as our PF going forward.

I'd definitely want a pick or Kanter over Millsap.

You'd rather have a pick over Millsap?
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Re: The Best Pierce Trade(sorry Capt!!!)
« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2012, 05:50:08 PM »

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Espn*** just showed the top Pierce trade offers around the league:

1. Atlanta Hawks for PF Josh Smith
2. Memphis Grizzlies for SF Rudy Gay
3. Indiana Pacers for SF Danny Granger
4. Utah Jazz for Paul Millsap and pick, or Enes Kanter and 2012 draft pick
5. Houston Rockets for Kevin Martin and Patrick Patterson/Jordan Hill

The only one of these trades that makes sense is taking back Enes Kanter (young prospect) and a 1st round pick from Utah, because it's the only one that would get the majority of Pierce's 16.7 mil off our books next year. 

However, I don't see how this is possible without the Jazz including a large expiring contract... a large expiring contract they don't have.

Re: Trade stuff from Forsberg
« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2012, 05:52:58 PM »

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I don't like trading Pierce for many reasons, but the biggest is.

If the C's are going to rebuild they need more than Rondo to teach the young talent. Pierce will still be able to compete and start next year, year after who knows but he would at worst be a darn good bench player.

I say if any of the 3 gets traded it would be Allen with the hope he comes back from his half year rental with Say the Bulls and becomes a one year mentor.

KG is a hard contract to move, he'll most likely be the last to go. But I'd love him to be around if in FA with some Red Luck we land Love, KG would be  agood mentor for him.

This is how they did it back in the day. Keep some vets to mentor the young bucks coming up behind them.

Im not sure what DA will be able to get for any one. Wouldn't make sense to trade just to get a hair better.

If we just want mentors to teach young guys we can sign plenty of players like Keyon Dooling, Kurt Thomas, Brian Scalabrine, etc.  Player-coach types who won't play, or if they do play, who will play 10-15 minutes a night at most.

When you're a rebuilding team, your primary goal is to acquire and develop assets.  The greatest and most valuable resource you have in developing assets is playing time.  Giving 20-30+ minutes a night to a guy who isn't part of your long term plans is a waste of resources.

So your say you'd rather have Keyon Dooling, Kurt Thomas, Brian Scalabrine, teach and maybe even have to start a year, over Pierce, KG, and Allen??? 

Re: The Best Pierce Trade(sorry Capt!!!)
« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2012, 05:55:14 PM »

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Move him for Gay. You need to get pieces here to attract free agents such as Dwight

Re: Trade stuff from Forsberg
« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2012, 05:57:37 PM »

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After last night's game, I have no interest in any trades.

Re: Trade stuff from Forsberg
« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2012, 06:27:03 PM »

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Call me crazy but I don't want any of these trades. An in-shape Pierce is still a top 5 SF, and he embodies the organization. I see him being productive enough for the rest of his 2.5 year-contract.

Him, Rondo, Green, Bass, the organization, the coach, the rookies, and the 2 first-rounders will go a long way in attracting free agents with the ridiculous amount of cap space the Celtics have.

Pierce should retire a Celtic for more than symbolic reasons. They need him for retooling the team.

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These trades stink. Pierce is clearly better than every player mentioned here. Granger is the only one that is even in the same neighborhood.

Re: Trade stuff from Forsberg
« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2012, 06:42:02 PM »

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I don't like trading Pierce for many reasons, but the biggest is.

If the C's are going to rebuild they need more than Rondo to teach the young talent. Pierce will still be able to compete and start next year, year after who knows but he would at worst be a darn good bench player.

I say if any of the 3 gets traded it would be Allen with the hope he comes back from his half year rental with Say the Bulls and becomes a one year mentor.

KG is a hard contract to move, he'll most likely be the last to go. But I'd love him to be around if in FA with some Red Luck we land Love, KG would be  agood mentor for him.

This is how they did it back in the day. Keep some vets to mentor the young bucks coming up behind them.

Im not sure what DA will be able to get for any one. Wouldn't make sense to trade just to get a hair better.

If we just want mentors to teach young guys we can sign plenty of players like Keyon Dooling, Kurt Thomas, Brian Scalabrine, etc.  Player-coach types who won't play, or if they do play, who will play 10-15 minutes a night at most.

When you're a rebuilding team, your primary goal is to acquire and develop assets.  The greatest and most valuable resource you have in developing assets is playing time.  Giving 20-30+ minutes a night to a guy who isn't part of your long term plans is a waste of resources.

So your say you'd rather have Keyon Dooling, Kurt Thomas, Brian Scalabrine, teach and maybe even have to start a year, over Pierce, KG, and Allen??? 

No, the point would not be to start those guys.  The point would be to have those guys on the bench mentoring the young guys, who would be starting and playing big minutes.


In a rebuilding effort, you don't need or want players like the Big 3 starting and playing 20-30+ minutes a night.
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Re: Trade stuff from Forsberg
« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2012, 07:51:32 PM »

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If I wanted to trade Pierce, I think you get more for him during the off-season.
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