Anyone else jealous of Rose's shooting?

[droopdog7]

According to Hoops Data website:

Shooting percentages from 16-23 ft:

Rondo: 38%

Rose: 38%

Westbrook: 36%

Interesting.

But I'm pretty certain there's a pretty big disparity between those %'s and the number of shots taken. Rondo takes very few shots typically, whereas both Rose and Westbrook are their team's main offensive weapons.

  Rose takes about 5 shots from that range a game, Westbrook 4.5, Rondo 3.3. Not that big a disparity.

Sorry but these stats don't mean anything.  I am betting that when Rose and Westbrook take these shots, they are actually being contested (i.e., someone is actually guarding them).

When Rondo takes these shots, there isn't anyone in the same zip code.  His guy is basically daring him to shoot the ball.

So in terms of actually ability to shoot, Rondo is probably much worse than those two admittedly average shooters.

[BballTim]

According to Hoops Data website:

Shooting percentages from 16-23 ft:

Rondo: 38%

Rose: 38%

Westbrook: 36%

Interesting.

But I'm pretty certain there's a pretty big disparity between those %'s and the number of shots taken. Rondo takes very few shots typically, whereas both Rose and Westbrook are their team's main offensive weapons.

  Rose takes about 5 shots from that range a game, Westbrook 4.5, Rondo 3.3. Not that big a disparity.

Sorry but these stats don't mean anything.  I am betting that when Rose and Westbrook take these shots, they are actually being contested (i.e., someone is actually guarding them).

When Rondo takes these shots, there isn't anyone in the same zip code.  His guy is basically daring him to shoot the ball.

So in terms of actually ability to shoot, Rondo is probably much worse than those two admittedly average shooters.

  I don't get the feeling from watching games that there's a huge dropoff for Rondo when he's covered vs when he's not, although the sample size on jump shots isn't huge. Somewhat similar with Ray FWIW. Whether Ray's wide open or has just enough daylight to get a shot off doesn't seem as important as whether or not he's in a good rhythm when he shoots. Just an observation, not based on stats or anything.

[ejk3489]

You're right BballTim..  I understand how forum threads can branch out in unexpected ways. Even within this discussion, I caught myself straying off on my own general feelings towards the media and had to reel myself in a bit lol.

The fact that I'm not the most familiar with the different ways to quote smaller pieces of other members posts also makes it a little difficult for me to be as specific as I'd like.  Hopefully I'll become more familiar with all the forums tools, and be able to explain myself better in future discussions. It certainly isn't obnoxious to point out, and despite our differing views I certainly respect your opinions...even those critical of my post structure lol

As for articles about Rondos inability to shoot...I would consider any article (or interview) that had his inability to shoot as the overall focus of the story sufficient. If it included statements from players/coaches/GMs etc that directly mentioned his poor shooting without praising him for other things later in the article, it would be especially significant. My whole point, is that there are no negative articles (or interviews) given to the media.  If the majority of the piece is given as praise or justification to offset the negative aspects of it, then it cannot reasonably be seen as negative.

Yes, the article you posted follows up saying that he's one of the best PGs, by saying that shooting is his glaring weakness...but then it turns right around and offers multiple justifications for that weakness, and talks about progress made on it. That's not being negative.

I think we are arguing about two different things. I get your point about how the media usually doesn't write negative articles about players (unless your Adrian Wojnarowski and the topic is Lebron) and that there is generally a postive spin in there somewhere.

The only reason why I posted those articles was because you said:

How many articles have been written about Rondos inability to shoot, and where are all these articles?  I think they would be quite hard to find lol.

Whether those were all negative or not wasn't really my point. I was just trying to show that there have been many articles about Rondo's lack of jump shooting...along with Doc and Danny criticizing him.

[StartOrien]

I'm extremely jealous - my midrange game left me years back. It's 3's and layups now.

[Dchuck]

Statistics, analytics, semantics....whatever!  He passes the good ole' eye test.  He is too fast, too strong for almost anyone in the league, especially Rondo.  I'm as diehard a Celtics fan as anyone on this board.  As hard as it is for me to say it (my friend is a Bulls fan) he is the MVP this season.  I just hope Rondo snaps out of his funk....SOON!

[dtrader]

Barring an epic meltdown, Rondos performance tonight certainly qualifies as out of the funk.  Is 100% free throws, 0 turnovers and 20+ PPG asking to much? lol