andre iguodala trade ideas

[Chris]

Quick look at ESPN list of free agents:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-10-11

Nene (unrestricted)
Marc Gasol (restricted)
Greg Oden (restricted)
Sam Dalembert (unrestricted)
Tim Duncan (unrestricted)

Of that list, Gasol & Duncan are definetly upgrades for the Thunder over Igudala. But I wouldn't gamble on them.

Well, I think the issue isn't "are they better than Iguodala", it is whether they help the team more than Iguodala would.  And I just don't think Iguodala helps them much at all, while I think any one of those big men would be incredibly valuable, since they are so weak up front.

[StartOrien]

One last thing.

In the summer they're probably going to have to pay Green or pay his replacement. It wont' be Iguodala money, but I'd guess probably something not all that far between the two (2-4). I personally think Iguodala is much better than Green (both in general and for OKC) so the salary implications aren't all that great.

So unless you could get some kind of indication from Marc Gasol that he'd want to come to OKC (I'm assuming Duncan will resign) I'd have to say that you'd be better off acquiring Iguodala and then trading w/ the Kings (either making a move like Green for Landy or Dalembert, and some other chips or a smaller Maynor for Thompson swap).

[StartOrien]

Quick look at ESPN list of free agents:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-10-11

Nene (unrestricted)
Marc Gasol (restricted)
Greg Oden (restricted)
Sam Dalembert (unrestricted)
Tim Duncan (unrestricted)

Of that list, Gasol & Duncan are definetly upgrades for the Thunder over Igudala. But I wouldn't gamble on them.

Well, I think the issue isn't "are they better than Iguodala", it is whether they help the team more than Iguodala would.  And I just don't think Iguodala helps them much at all, while I think any one of those big men would be incredibly valuable, since they are so weak up front.

Oh no, I meant the same thing. I think Gasol & Duncan help the Thunder more than Igoudala.

But I'd believe adding Iguodala and a MLE big man would be more beneficial to them then something like Nene & an MLE swing.

[Chris]

One last thing.

In the summer they're probably going to have to pay Green or pay his replacement. It wont' be Iguodala money, but I'd guess probably something not all that far between the two (2-4). I personally think Iguodala is much better than Green (both in general and for OKC) so the salary implications aren't all that great.

So unless you could get some kind of indication from Marc Gasol that he'd want to come to OKC (I'm assuming Duncan will resign) I'd have to say that you'd be better off acquiring Iguodala and then trading w/ the Kings (either making a move like Green for Landy or Dalembert, and some other chips or a smaller Maynor for Thompson swap).

Perhaps that would make some sense.  But I don't see it happening.  They love Green, and making two deals like that is a major change in the team dynamics, as well as a huge leap.  But yes, if it were in conjunction with a deal of Green for a big man, then this deal makes a little sense. 

Ultimately though, I think there are teams that Iguodala makes much more sense for, and who would therefore pay a higher premium for him.  The Thunder just are not at a point where they are going to start shuffling the cards.  They are looking to add to their core, rather than rebuild it.

[Who]

How much money would Memphis be willing to pay Marc Gasol?

Tim Duncan will re-sign with San An. Tyson Chandler is another big name but OKC passed on for health reasons before so it's hard to see them signing him to a big contract next summer. Oden is likely off the table because it would take a very large contract for Portland not to match + that would be a huge risk for OKC's future.

That leaves Nene, Dalembert and Perkins.

Move Serge Ibaka into the starting lineup to replace Jeff Green who'd have to be jettisoned to free up the free agent money. With Sefolosha in the starting lineup, the Thunder would be best off going with Nene because having another limited offensive player at center + Thabo + Ibaka is problematic. Especially with Westbrook's lack of range. So Nene and his injury riddled past.

Or Marc Gasol ... how much would it cost for OKC to steal him away from Memphis? A max contract?

[StartOrien]

I haven't the least idea what Memphis is going to do w/ Marc Gasol. I'd assume that the Conley & Gay signings were a signal that they're ready to spend, as opposed to complete incompetence regarding the contracts of their two bigs. I say they let Marc shop and then match.

That being said, they don't seem like the smartest organization so maybe not. And if I was the owner I wouldn't be paying the luxury tax for a team that doesn't seem to have the highest of celings

[Fan from VT]

I think OKC could be close to the familiar trap of "falling in love with your own young potential." Iggy as 3rd banana is a HUGE upgrade, and if they get him without giving away one of their scarce bigs, that is a major move in and of itself.

Durant/Iggy/Thabo is a nice rotaions at the 2/3 (with Maynor/Westbrook at 1/2).

So yeah, Green is a weak spot at pure PF. he's ideally a bench 3/4. He's a decent player, and I think his rep outweighs his value generally, so they could get something there after getting iguodala to round out their lineup.

1. Boston: Green for Baby and Wafer (we get a 3/4 bench guy)
2. Sac: Green for Landry and Darnell Jackson or Greene
3. Sac: Green for Thompson and Darnell Jackson or Greene
4. Orlando: Green for Bass
5. Orlando: Green and White for Gortat


Personally, I think some of the following 9-man playoff rotations are downright scary:

Westbrook/Maynor
Iggy/Thabo/Maynor (to account for Maynor/Westbrook combo)
Durant/Thabo
Landry/Collison
Ibaka/Krstic

Westbrook/Maynor
Iggy/Thabo/Maynor
Durant/Thabo
Thompson/Collison
Ibaka/Krstic

Westbrook/Maynor
Iggy/Thabo/Maynor
Durant/Thabo
Bass/Collison
Ibaka/Krstic

Westbrook/Maynor
Iggy/Thabo/Maynor
Durant/Thabo
Baby/Collison
Ibaka/Krstic

Westbrook/Maynor
Iggy/Thabo/Maynor
Durant/Thabo
Ibaka/Collison
Gortat/Krstic

[Fafnir]

I think all of the lineups out there for the Thunder you propose still need a better big man rotation. (unless Durant can play a lot more 4 than he has)

With perhaps the exception of the scenario where they get Gortat.

[Chris]

What I don't get is how people can kill the Heat for having too many guys who need the ball in their hands, and then want the Thunder, who already have a little bit of the same thing this year with Durant and Westbrook, to trade for another guy who absolutely needs the ball in his hands to be a successful player.

Iggy is a very good player, but he is not good playing off the ball, and when you have Durant and Westbrook already demanding the ball so much, then I just don't see the fit.

[Fan from VT]

I think all of the lineups out there for the Thunder you propose still need a better big man rotation. (unless Durant can play a lot more 4 than he has)

With perhaps the exception of the scenario where they get Gortat.

Fair enough. I just think that those lineups are much scarier than any current lineup they have, and none of the moves i proposed tie them up any differently long term nor do they preclude moving those intriguing pieces later on again.

[StartOrien]

What I don't get is how people can kill the Heat for having too many guys who need the ball in their hands, and then want the Thunder, who already have a little bit of the same thing this year with Durant and Westbrook, to trade for another guy who absolutely needs the ball in his hands to be a successful player.

Iggy is a very good player, but he is not good playing off the ball, and when you have Durant and Westbrook already demanding the ball so much, then I just don't see the fit.

I thought Igoudala showed enough in the World Championships that he can contribute w/o needing the ball.

[xmuscularghandix]

What I don't get is how people can kill the Heat for having too many guys who need the ball in their hands, and then want the Thunder, who already have a little bit of the same thing this year with Durant and Westbrook, to trade for another guy who absolutely needs the ball in his hands to be a successful player.

Iggy is a very good player, but he is not good playing off the ball, and when you have Durant and Westbrook already demanding the ball so much, then I just don't see the fit.

I thought Igoudala showed enough in the World Championships that he can contribute w/o needing the ball.

I agree, he’s perfect as that off-ball second option. He’s that Scottie Pippen-type that can rebound, handle the ball, defend, and attack in transition. But i think one thing you need around him is shooting. If he’s playing 2 your going to need shooting at the other 2 perimeter positions. Him and Chris Paul would go very well together.

[Chris]

What I don't get is how people can kill the Heat for having too many guys who need the ball in their hands, and then want the Thunder, who already have a little bit of the same thing this year with Durant and Westbrook, to trade for another guy who absolutely needs the ball in his hands to be a successful player.

Iggy is a very good player, but he is not good playing off the ball, and when you have Durant and Westbrook already demanding the ball so much, then I just don't see the fit.

I thought Igoudala showed enough in the World Championships that he can contribute w/o needing the ball.

I agree, he’s perfect as that off-ball second option. He’s that Scottie Pippen-type that can rebound, handle the ball, defend, and attack in transition. But i think one thing you need around him is shooting. If he’s playing 2 your going to need shooting at the other 2 perimeter positions. Him and Chris Paul would go very well together.

But he wouldn't be the second option, he would be the third option.  Scottie Pippen worked with Jordan, because it was he and Jordan.  There was no Russell Westbrook.  Westbrook is already the Pippen to Durant's Jordan.  Iguodala just doesn't fit. 

[StartOrien]

In my opinion, if the Thunder want to win a championship Westbrook will have to facilitate. I think he's a terrific point guard, but I don't think you can win a championship if he's your second best scoring option. You could w/ Iguodala (especially if Westbrook is the third).

Agreed with the Chris Paul match, that's a dream scenario for Iguodala (and probably a lot of players).