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Re: Rondo is not the answer!
« Reply #45 on: March 04, 2010, 10:40:26 AM »

Offline BudweiserCeltic

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If Rondo's a problem, it's only in the sense that Rondo is the best player on our team. 

You can't win a championship if the best player on your team is Rondo - just like you can't win a championship if your best player is Danny Granger, Gerald Wallace, Joe Johnson, Amare Stoudemire, Andre Iguodala, etc.

You can't win a championship if Rondo is your best scorer, but I think you could win one with him as the best player.  Give him an athletic big man who can run, finish and defend and a wing who can shoot the 3 and iso at a high level, and keep him as the best all-around player and I think you've got a championship core.

Rondo is one of the most dangerous players in the league with the right supporting cast.  Think back to how good Kidd was with a squad of fast-break minded athletes and shooters in New Jersey.

The Nets never won it all with that group.

If Rondo could add Jason Kidd's jumpshot to his repertoire then I'd get on board with the idea that a championship team could be led by him as its best player.  Without it, I'm unconvinced.

For us to win this year, Pierce or KG will have to step up and be that go-to guy that wins games for us.  Rondo isn't there yet.

Jason Kidd doesn't have a jumpshot. He is a terrible shooter. He's been good from 3 these past 2 years and thats it
The previous poster was correct if he is only talking about 3pt shots. Kid has developed an excellent 3pt shot. He is definitely not a terrible shooter if we are talking about his 3pt shot.

If you know that Kidd can shoot the 3 now, isn't it obvious that the previous poster was referring to his shot now, not his shot back when he was mediocre?

If you want a PG who can't shoot from 3, Andre Miller is your man, or even Tony Parker, Iverson, or Baron Davis. They have all been consistently worse than Kidd.

Anyway, the 3 is less important for Rondo than the midrange jumper since the threat of a pull-up off the dribble would be deadly. That is what Iverson was able to do and what Kidd doesn't. So I would rather see Rondo get Iverson's jumper than Kidd's jumper, but I think that is harder to develop.

Either weapon that he can hit with consistency will be quite fine. With 3-point range, it'll open up other options for other players, and space the floor even better. It'll help a ton on his penetration too.

His midrange jumper is something that he can pretty much have available to him at will. So either will be fine if he manages to get it in a very consistent manner. A pull-up jumper would be awesome.
« Last Edit: March 04, 2010, 10:46:18 AM by BudweiserCeltic »

Re: Rondo is not the answer!
« Reply #46 on: March 04, 2010, 10:59:27 AM »

Offline BballTim

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If Rondo's a problem, it's only in the sense that Rondo is the best player on our team. 

You can't win a championship if the best player on your team is Rondo - just like you can't win a championship if your best player is Danny Granger, Gerald Wallace, Joe Johnson, Amare Stoudemire, Andre Iguodala, etc.

  But you can win a title if your best player is Chauncey and he's not as good as he is now? Not sure I agree. The better Rondo plays the easier it is for the big three to play well.

If you have 5 players on your team who are all playing near an All-Star level with a couple of dominant defensive presences in the paint, then you can win if your best player is Chauncey Billups.  Even then, it's only going to happen very rarely (once every 20-30 years).

I think it would be pretty hard to argue that the 2009-2010 Boston Celtics play defense like the 2003-2004 Pistons. 

  I'd have at least as easy a time arguing that we play defense like the 04 Pistons (we're both 2nd in the league and we were first before KG and Paul went down) that you would in arguing that they had five players near an all-star level. We also have a couple of dominant defensive presences in the paint.

Perk + KG + Rasheed =/= 03-04 Ben Wallace, Rasheed Wallace, Tayshaun Prince

  Prince is a sf. When we're healthy, we're not much worse in the paint. I'd rank them BWallace/KG/Perk/RWallace. And, again, they were #2 in defense that year. We're #2 right now but clearly #1 when healthy. Our interior defense is as good compared to the league average as theirs was.

Well, being healthy is the hardest part.  Still, even if we're at that level when healthy, it doesn't make us a clear cut contender. 

The '04 Pistons were an unexpected contender; with Rondo as our best player, that's the best we can hope for.  If the Celtics hadn't won in '08, few would have called us a contender to start the season, and almost nobody at all would be talking of them as one now.


  When you say "unexpectecd contender", I assume you mean that everyone was discussing whether Rasheed was the piece to put them over the top? Was it unexpected as in they were clearly seen as title contenders after the trade deadline?

Re: Rondo is not the answer!
« Reply #47 on: March 06, 2010, 09:30:35 PM »

Offline mmbaby

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TOTALLY WRONG, OP! Hilarious, but wrong. What would you like to do? Every time a celtics player has a bad night or a few hard nights, trade 'em? Yeah, I know, you'd like that, wouldn't ya? If we did all the trades recommended here lately, we'd have absolutely NO TEAM, nada, zero. We wouldn't even be listed on the stats. Rhonda is one day gonna be listed as a top point guard in the history of the NBA.
Funny post, though.