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Re: Rondo is not the answer!
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2010, 12:15:36 PM »

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Doc Rivers has to take some of the blame for the failure to integrate Rondo's "emergence" with the Big 3's "decline".

Also, Danny has to take some blame for the inability to find a suitable back up PG for Rondo, thus making this team dependant on Rondo too much to be the "every down [minute] quarterback".

Tony Allen and Marquis Daniels are "stop gap" ball handlers, they are not backup PGs.

It might have been a better idea to go after the retired Eric Snow to be our backup PG...I don't even know if that was viable, but I am just throwing that kinda of direction out there.

The league right now as it is constituted, teams are dependent on premier PG's to run their offense or premiere wing players to get to the rim and make plays off of athletic ability.

So for the Celtics, if Rondo is not running our offense, it's Pierce "dominating the ball".

I would like to see Rondo continue his solid play, but in a way where it doesn't overshadow the Big 3's essence.

Likewise, the Big 3 can't drag Rondo along, they have to "hold hands" or something that Bill Russell was saying.

Rondo will be running the point in Boston for many years to come.
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Re: Rondo is not the answer!
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2010, 01:01:09 PM »

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Doc Rivers has to take some of the blame for the failure to integrate Rondo's "emergence" with the Big 3's "decline".

  He hasn't had much of a chance to do this. Rondo's been a bigger scoring option since the injuries hit and he hasn't had the regular lineup for more than 2-3 games at a time since then.

I would like to see Rondo continue his solid play, but in a way where it doesn't overshadow the Big 3's essence.

Likewise, the Big 3 can't drag Rondo along, they have to "hold hands" or something that Bill Russell was saying.

  Disagree. We won in 08 with the big three dominating and Perk and Rondo basically holding their own. Not only can we not expect that level of play from the big three but we can't ignore the fact that Rondo's been our best player for much of the year. Also, if we're playing teams like Atlanta, Cleveland and LA, our biggest advantage (or at least one fo the biggest) is at pg, Rondo against Fisher/Williams/Bibby.

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« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2010, 01:05:20 PM »

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I think it is too much to place on Rondo to be a triple double average type player come playoff time.

Sure he has done it, but he can not maintain it.

It is more reasonable to expect the Big 3 to return to close to their from if they ever get healthy at the same time.

3 healthy players playing like All-Stars are better than one guy playing like a superstar.

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« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2010, 01:10:35 PM »

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I think it is too much to place on Rondo to be a triple double average type player come playoff time.

Sure he has done it, but he can not maintain it.

It is more reasonable to expect the Big 3 to return to close to their from if they ever get healthy at the same time.

3 healthy players playing like All-Stars are better than one guy playing like a superstar.

  But it's not better than four players playing like All-Stars. Rondo probably won't average a triple double (not that anyone will) but if he's not playing well then the team won't go far.

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« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2010, 01:17:10 PM »

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No one is asking Rondo to play less than he already is playing.

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« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2010, 01:21:10 PM »

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If Rondo's a problem, it's only in the sense that Rondo is the best player on our team. 

You can't win a championship if the best player on your team is Rondo - just like you can't win a championship if your best player is Danny Granger, Gerald Wallace, Joe Johnson, Amare Stoudemire, Andre Iguodala, etc.
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« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2010, 01:25:49 PM »

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No one is asking Rondo to play less than he already is playing.

  He'd have to in order to not overshadow the big three.

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« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2010, 01:35:45 PM »

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If Rondo's a problem, it's only in the sense that Rondo is the best player on our team. 

You can't win a championship if the best player on your team is Rondo - just like you can't win a championship if your best player is Danny Granger, Gerald Wallace, Joe Johnson, Amare Stoudemire, Andre Iguodala, etc.

  But you can win a title if your best player is Chauncey and he's not as good as he is now? Not sure I agree. The better Rondo plays the easier it is for the big three to play well.

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« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2010, 01:57:38 PM »

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What's the question?

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« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2010, 02:02:32 PM »

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What's the question?

  Who is CoachBo's favorite player?

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« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2010, 02:25:15 PM »

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What's the question?

  Who is CoachBo's favorite player?

Does he have a favorite player from the posts I've read of his it's normally about Danny dumpster diving or some other player not playing up to to snuff?
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Re: Rondo is not the answer!
« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2010, 02:30:22 PM »

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No one is asking Rondo to play less than he already is playing.

  He'd have to in order to not overshadow the big three.

I don't agree, because I believe the Big 3 can play a lot better once they all get healthy and can play together for a bit.

While that is happening, Rondo can still drop 10 and 8 per night with ease.


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« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2010, 07:30:54 PM »

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If Rondo's a problem, it's only in the sense that Rondo is the best player on our team. 

You can't win a championship if the best player on your team is Rondo - just like you can't win a championship if your best player is Danny Granger, Gerald Wallace, Joe Johnson, Amare Stoudemire, Andre Iguodala, etc.

  But you can win a title if your best player is Chauncey and he's not as good as he is now? Not sure I agree. The better Rondo plays the easier it is for the big three to play well.

If you have 5 players on your team who are all playing near an All-Star level with a couple of dominant defensive presences in the paint, then you can win if your best player is Chauncey Billups.  Even then, it's only going to happen very rarely (once every 20-30 years).

I think it would be pretty hard to argue that the 2009-2010 Boston Celtics play defense like the 2003-2004 Pistons. 
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« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2010, 08:16:23 PM »

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If Rondo's a problem, it's only in the sense that Rondo is the best player on our team. 

You can't win a championship if the best player on your team is Rondo - just like you can't win a championship if your best player is Danny Granger, Gerald Wallace, Joe Johnson, Amare Stoudemire, Andre Iguodala, etc.

  But you can win a title if your best player is Chauncey and he's not as good as he is now? Not sure I agree. The better Rondo plays the easier it is for the big three to play well.

If you have 5 players on your team who are all playing near an All-Star level with a couple of dominant defensive presences in the paint, then you can win if your best player is Chauncey Billups.  Even then, it's only going to happen very rarely (once every 20-30 years).

I think it would be pretty hard to argue that the 2009-2010 Boston Celtics play defense like the 2003-2004 Pistons. 

  I'd have at least as easy a time arguing that we play defense like the 04 Pistons (we're both 2nd in the league and we were first before KG and Paul went down) that you would in arguing that they had five players near an all-star level. We also have a couple of dominant defensive presences in the paint.

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« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2010, 08:20:56 PM »

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While he made some great plays putting heat on the Pistons with his penetration and defense (jumping lanes), he also had untimely turnovers trying to force passes, unnecessary shot attempts (jumpers) and allowed his man to blow by him on defense. 


  Stuckey blew by Rondo twice or so. He usually gets twice as many layups as he did last night. Last time we played in Detroit Stuckey had a big game. Last night Rondo did a good job of keeping him in check.