Ray gone last game of old Celtics wednesday?

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

Here's the most recent characterization:

According to NBA sources, Ainge is not shopping Allen and he told his veteran guard that much in a conversation last week.

But those same sources said Ainge is listening to offers on Allen, whose play has declined this season and whose contract will become increasingly enticing in the next eight days. . . .

. . . According to the sources, Ainge is not eager to move Allen and would do so only if he could get a proven scorer with a manageable contract who is considerably younger.

Link.

That is pretty much in line with what most posters think.

  But there's also this in the article: "According to Celtics sources, the organization is not interested in taking on “bad contracts’’ that could hurt salary cap space". That's definitely not in line with what most posters think.

Yeah, in other words, it's not going to happen, if that's accurate.

Why would a team like the Kings give up their younger, proven scorer on a reasonable contract, if they're not getting cap relief? 

The above quote also seems to preclude trading for Iguodala (with or without Dalembert) because I don't think anybody would consider his contract "manageable".  It's a bad contract, no doubt about it.

I think one thing fueling the Kevin Martin rumors is the prior rumor of bad blood/not thinking he and Tyrke Evans can play together. Now, this is the case of a rumor fueling a rumor so I am not sure how much stock I put in that scenario being valid.

That said, having been at Madison Square Garden last night, 12 dollar tickets!, and seeing Evans take over with 7 to go, down 15 in the 4th, that dude can flat out score. Was incredibly impressive.
Though maybe it was just my Celtics fan mojo rubbing off on a team leading them to blow a 15 point lead in the 4th 

[Birdbrain]

Nobody's scapegoating Ray? Well then, let me be the first.  I think it's pretty clear that of all the problems the Cs have had lately, the poor play of Ray Allen has been the most glaring.  It's not his shooting that I'm worried about.  As a matter of fact, I feel that if he has a saving grace, it is that he can still shoot the basketball better than just about anybody else in the world.  

Well, far be it from me to derail the blame train, but i think the fact that my brothers basketball team rebounds as well as the current boston celtics has alot more to do with why we're losing than ray allen alone.

Tough to beat a team when you give them a ton of easy buckets a game due to offensive rebounds, and go one and done on the other end because you get zero boards.

Sure there a myriad of issues but, there is 1 really big expiring contract that could help remedy some of them.  Also the low amount of offensive rebounds has more to do with the fact that Doc wants ' everyone back ' and they shoot 50% as a team.

If you say so. considering this is the same offense and defense (supposedly) scheme, why do you suppose we used to be one of the best rebounding teams and are now one of the worst?

The logical awnser would be we are older and it's tougher to rebound as you get older. But i guess it could be an intentional scheme of doc's...for some reason.

And, again, I'll believe the "teams are foaming at the mouth to trade us talent for an expiring contract!!!" line of thinking when i see it happen. That would fly in the face of every NBA trade contention.

Expirings have always been great chips when you can include some sort of talent the team taking the expiring is interested in.

Every single trade rumor thats been shot down (including the one on the main page for martin) has centered around teams wanting more than ray's contract to give up an impact player, and us not having one they like.

Until the trade appears and goes down, I'm going to stick by the history of every NBA trade deadline ever and say that IF they move allen's contract alone, they won't get anything other than marginal players back.

But hey, mabey some team will have a brain aneurysm and toss us a young stud for simple cap relief or one of our unattractive young kids like JR. A suckers born every minute after all.

No I agree with you and I didn't mean to intimate that it's scheme only just that the offensive rebounding numbers have more to do with some other things than ability to offensive rebound.  You do agree that when a team shoots at a 50% clip that amount of off rebs is limited, correct?

[Birdbrain]

Here's the most recent characterization:

According to NBA sources, Ainge is not shopping Allen and he told his veteran guard that much in a conversation last week.

But those same sources said Ainge is listening to offers on Allen, whose play has declined this season and whose contract will become increasingly enticing in the next eight days. . . .

. . . According to the sources, Ainge is not eager to move Allen and would do so only if he could get a proven scorer with a manageable contract who is considerably younger.

Link.

That is pretty much in line with what most posters think.

  But there's also this in the article: "According to Celtics sources, the organization is not interested in taking on “bad contracts’’ that could hurt salary cap space". That's definitely not in line with what most posters think.

See my post above. Trades of good young players with manageable deals for strictly an expiring contract don’t exist. So Gary Washburn can tow the party line, but it doesn’t mean that Ainge doesn’t understand the ways of the NBA world. I agree they’re unlikely to take a truly bad contract, so he probably won’t do a deal.

Is the Ellis deal constitute a bad contact trade?  Setting aside your or other peoples belief in whether he can play with rondo.

[Kuberski33]

House has been more than adequate in his role and plays such a limited role that to drag him into the discussion adds nothing, IMO.

I disagree to this extent - I think the C's will have the opportunity to upgrade his spot.  He literally cannot guard anyone so he's a massive liability defensively.  All he is at this point is a designated shooter -- who's been missing an awful lot of shots.

[Edgar]

If so and just in case
I will open a bottle of fine vodka
put a LOT of ice on it
A BIG shot
Some cola soda
2 drops of lemon juice
And say "SALUD" for one great player
who gave a lot to My beloved team.
 

And i am just about to leave to buy that precious Ganso Gris