2009 CB NBA Draft as a fantasy basketball league.

[Fafnir]

Oh your system also does something awful for player rating it only subtracts missed shots. You need to subtract all shots taken otherwise a player can improve his rating by just shooting above 33% from 2 point range or above 25% from behind the 3 point line. Every shot has an opportunity cost.

[nickagneta]

It's interesting to look at, but ultimately, I think the voting yields more accurate results.  Stats don't tell things like chemistry, fit, position, roster construction, etc. 

Still, nice effort nick.  TP.

... or injuries, falling out of favor, etc. It will be very interesting to see the effect injuries/underperformance have on the all-star break re-voting that we discussed (and that I volunteered to help kickstart). Heck look at a guy like TJ Ford who 2 years ago was one of the cornerstones of POR's team and is now literally out of the rotation for a bad Indiana team.

Just "shows" that the CB draft is at it's core conjecture and fun, and that all teams look at their best on paper (or on the screen as it were) during the CB draft, but that's why they play the games, huh?

A quick glance at the rosters and I think that some of the arguments made by some of us --- the Orlando Magics included --- don't hold up very well. And some players that were overlooked/undervalued --- again including some on the Magics -- are doing better than expected 1/3 of the way through the season.

I have to same the same thing. I think before the season looking at paper is wonderful but the reality of the games being played shows that, and sorry Roy and Edgar, it doesn't look like Portland had anywhere near the best team for a lot of reasons that were discussed, age, game performance decline, injuries, etc. It's a deep team with lots of names but no one is really performing extremely well this year. Chicago was seen as being very good on paper but not deep. Paul, Gasol, Martin and Bell have been down for very portions of the year some for very large portions. mI doubt they would be doing very well in real life as a team.

Meanwhile, a team like Houston, that couldn't get out of the second round of the Western Conference playoffs, or Golden State, a team that couldn't get out of the first round of the Western Conference playoffs, might have the best teams in the league. Heck, relooking at things, I think my own Boxers could be a 5th seed in the East.

ok nick heres a test
make a fantasy season of the boston celtics
with their players
 and tell me where
they end in this years fantasy (this league) using your runnings.

rookies with inflated stats equals NOT the best team.


P.S. Its a fun stat tough if its fantasy

Edgar, I wasn't even looking at it from the fantasy perspective. I was just looking at it from the perspective of the players gathered and the quality of play they have provided thus far and the health they have had.

I understand the love for your team but are you really happy that so so many of your name stars are having tremendously average seasons. And I don't mean average for an average one of their years but like average as in average NBA player.

[Edgar]

It's interesting to look at, but ultimately, I think the voting yields more accurate results.  Stats don't tell things like chemistry, fit, position, roster construction, etc. 

Still, nice effort nick.  TP.

... or injuries, falling out of favor, etc. It will be very interesting to see the effect injuries/underperformance have on the all-star break re-voting that we discussed (and that I volunteered to help kickstart). Heck look at a guy like TJ Ford who 2 years ago was one of the cornerstones of POR's team and is now literally out of the rotation for a bad Indiana team.

Just "shows" that the CB draft is at it's core conjecture and fun, and that all teams look at their best on paper (or on the screen as it were) during the CB draft, but that's why they play the games, huh?

A quick glance at the rosters and I think that some of the arguments made by some of us --- the Orlando Magics included --- don't hold up very well. And some players that were overlooked/undervalued --- again including some on the Magics -- are doing better than expected 1/3 of the way through the season.

I have to same the same thing. I think before the season looking at paper is wonderful but the reality of the games being played shows that, and sorry Roy and Edgar, it doesn't look like Portland had anywhere near the best team for a lot of reasons that were discussed, age, game performance decline, injuries, etc. It's a deep team with lots of names but no one is really performing extremely well this year. Chicago was seen as being very good on paper but not deep. Paul, Gasol, Martin and Bell have been down for very portions of the year some for very large portions. mI doubt they would be doing very well in real life as a team.

Meanwhile, a team like Houston, that couldn't get out of the second round of the Western Conference playoffs, or Golden State, a team that couldn't get out of the first round of the Western Conference playoffs, might have the best teams in the league. Heck, relooking at things, I think my own Boxers could be a 5th seed in the East.

ok nick heres a test
make a fantasy season of the boston celtics
with their players
 and tell me where
they end in this years fantasy (this league) using your runnings.

rookies with inflated stats equals NOT the best team.


P.S. Its a fun stat tough if its fantasy

Edgar, I wasn't even looking at it from the fantasy perspective. I was just looking at it from the perspective of the players gathered and the quality of play they have provided thus far and the health they have had.

I understand the love for your team but are you really happy that so so many of your name stars are having tremendously average seasons. And I don't mean average for an average one of their years but like average as in average NBA player.

lets break this up

my example was that if you analyze that way
Allen, Pierce, KG, sheed , tony allen, shelde, BBD, Scal even Perk are having BIG average seasons, still Celtics are^`  one of the best record in the league.

I dont think you rather have a Tyrekke evans, jennings, Durant, Noah, Brooke Lopez lineup and think they will make you champion.

Of course health is an isue we know it from the beginning but with Manu and Redd starting to carburate, 56 points in 2 games for redd followed of an average 9 pointer and all of the other players getting better, is posible to think that an experienced defensive team can keep the pace with the best, just because of that.

[Roy Hobbs]

Of course health is an isue we know it from the beginning but with Manu and Redd starting to carburate, 56 points in 2 games for redd followed of an average 9 pointer and all of the other players getting better, is posible to think that an experienced defensive team can keep the pace with the best, just because of that.

Yep.  I'd still put Portland up there with anybody.  As noted numerous times, Portland will have some growing pains, but by the time the playoffs start, they will have gelled.

[nickagneta]

It's interesting to look at, but ultimately, I think the voting yields more accurate results.  Stats don't tell things like chemistry, fit, position, roster construction, etc. 

Still, nice effort nick.  TP.

... or injuries, falling out of favor, etc. It will be very interesting to see the effect injuries/underperformance have on the all-star break re-voting that we discussed (and that I volunteered to help kickstart). Heck look at a guy like TJ Ford who 2 years ago was one of the cornerstones of POR's team and is now literally out of the rotation for a bad Indiana team.

Just "shows" that the CB draft is at it's core conjecture and fun, and that all teams look at their best on paper (or on the screen as it were) during the CB draft, but that's why they play the games, huh?

A quick glance at the rosters and I think that some of the arguments made by some of us --- the Orlando Magics included --- don't hold up very well. And some players that were overlooked/undervalued --- again including some on the Magics -- are doing better than expected 1/3 of the way through the season.

I have to same the same thing. I think before the season looking at paper is wonderful but the reality of the games being played shows that, and sorry Roy and Edgar, it doesn't look like Portland had anywhere near the best team for a lot of reasons that were discussed, age, game performance decline, injuries, etc. It's a deep team with lots of names but no one is really performing extremely well this year. Chicago was seen as being very good on paper but not deep. Paul, Gasol, Martin and Bell have been down for very portions of the year some for very large portions. mI doubt they would be doing very well in real life as a team.

Meanwhile, a team like Houston, that couldn't get out of the second round of the Western Conference playoffs, or Golden State, a team that couldn't get out of the first round of the Western Conference playoffs, might have the best teams in the league. Heck, relooking at things, I think my own Boxers could be a 5th seed in the East.

ok nick heres a test
make a fantasy season of the boston celtics
with their players
 and tell me where
they end in this years fantasy (this league) using your runnings.

rookies with inflated stats equals NOT the best team.


P.S. Its a fun stat tough if its fantasy

Edgar, I wasn't even looking at it from the fantasy perspective. I was just looking at it from the perspective of the players gathered and the quality of play they have provided thus far and the health they have had.

I understand the love for your team but are you really happy that so so many of your name stars are having tremendously average seasons. And I don't mean average for an average one of their years but like average as in average NBA player.

lets break this up

my example was that if you analyze that way
Allen, Pierce, KG, sheed , tony allen, shelde, BBD, Scal even Perk are having BIG average seasons, still Celtics are^`  one of the best record in the league.

I dont think you rather have a Tyrekke evans, jennings, Durant, Noah, Brooke Lopez lineup and think they will make you champion.

Of course health is an isue we know it from the beginning but with Manu and Redd starting to carburate, 56 points in 2 games for redd followed of an average 9 pointer and all of the other players getting better, is posible to think that an experienced defensive team can keep the pace with the best, just because of that.

Edgar the Celtics having average years is quite the stretch. An argument could be made that they have 4 All-Stars on this team based on the way they are playing average. Don't confuse average stats with playing average. Those are two different things.

The current CrotorNats don't have even one player playing at anywhere near an All-Star level. A much better comparison might be the Bulls or the Clippers where one player is playing pretty good but most are playing pretty average.