Baby, Scal and Giddens for Gadzuric and The Fresh Prince

[Fafnir]

I never understand how people expect a young player to be passionate, talented, and also a company man at the same time...

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I never understand how people expect a young player to be passionate, talented, and also a company man at the same time...

I hear you, i had no problem with what he said at the time -- i would have done the same. I guess I'm just bitter about the TKO he gave his friend right before the season, and it's not helping me that The Landlord has a lot less holes in his game.

[GKC]

I wouldn't do it just because we could have a situation in which Ray settles for much less, so does Paul, but we're still stuck with a 7 million dollar contract down the line in the books.

Wyc also doesn't seem like a guy to take on non-value contracts anymore.

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I wouldn't do it just because we could have a situation in which Ray settles for much less, so does Paul, but we're still stuck with a 7 million dollar contract down the line in the books.

Wyc also doesn't seem like a guy to take on non-value contracts anymore.

Do what, trade for Mbah a Moute and Gadzuric? Gadzuric's contact ends next year. You're not stuck with anything down the line.

[GKC]

I wouldn't do it just because we could have a situation in which Ray settles for much less, so does Paul, but we're still stuck with a 7 million dollar contract down the line in the books.

Wyc also doesn't seem like a guy to take on non-value contracts anymore.

Do what, trade for Mbah a Moute and Gadzuric? Gadzuric's contact ends next year. You're not stuck with anything down the line.

Would you be willing to pay $14 million for someone who might not see 10 minutes a game for over a year?

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I wouldn't do it just because we could have a situation in which Ray settles for much less, so does Paul, but we're still stuck with a 7 million dollar contract down the line in the books.

Wyc also doesn't seem like a guy to take on non-value contracts anymore.

Do what, trade for Mbah a Moute and Gadzuric? Gadzuric's contact ends next year. You're not stuck with anything down the line.

Would you be willing to pay $14 million for someone who might not see 10 minutes a game for over a year?

You mean if I were the owner of the Cs? OK, well let me try that hat on for a second….

Well, we're paying that much this year for Giddens, Scal and TA, none of which I expect to provide anything this year other than trade value. The only reason I care that they’re on the team is that their contracts could bring back an excellent role player or two from a poorly managed team that can’t win and can’t afford him or them. So it’s worth me paying them that if they bring me a great young wing player with an A+ NBA attribute -- the kind of element that provides championship teams something that breeds success, like a Bruce Bowen or a Trevor Ariza or a James Posey, a smart fearless defender – who could be with the team for a long time to come.

And would I be willing to take back a year of essentially the same thing next year to get that guy for years to come on the cheap? Well, the salary cap is going to handcuff me this summer anyway – now that we signed Rondo to a long-term deal, we have no cap space. I’m going to have to give Marquis most of the MLE and I want to keep Sheldon Williams too, so upgrading or adding is going to be tough, especially since as currently constituted we’re not going to have many of those trade assets next year.

So if it also meant that I would have the ability to potentially trade for Corey Maggette or James Posey or Stephen Jackson or Gerald Wallace or Tayshawn Prince or Udonis Haslem or Joel Pryzbilla or Francisco Garcia or Desagna Diop or Shane Battier or Leandro Barbosa next year when we may need them without giving up core players during the end of a championship window, would that help me? And I also know that winning is what makes me money so I recently decided that I would let my GM spend what needs to be spent to ensure the best possible chance to raising banners while we still have 3 of the greatest players the game has ever seen? Yeah I’d pay Gadzuric and Mbah a Moute that next year. Well actually it’d be 16 total for them, but I don’t really care if we win. It’s not like LRMAM isn’t worth far more than he’s paid anyway.

Meanwhile, I went on the radio last week and said very clearly I’m sick and tired of “Big Baby”s shtick, and you heard Doc’s comments about selfishness last season – you don’t think Glen was part of that?  The main reason I signed him is because I got an excellent deal due to his restricted status. I tried to sign-and-trade the guy all summer. Besides, with Mbah a Moute I still have 4 or 5 guys who can play the 4 anyway. So I’m really not going to miss him that much. I mean, nice guy, good player, but it’s a business and you make sacrifices to get good players in return. Does that answer your question?

Man, that was fun. Ask me again about something I would do if I were Wyc….

[Fafnir]

You're tying the Celtics hands for this year for a role player at a position we don't need. For a player who has similar talents to Tony Allen...

Oh and it costs the team a ton of money and you're giving up a more proven role player to boot....

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You're tying the Celtics hands for this year for a role player at a position we don't need. For a player who has similar talents to Tony Allen...

Oh and it costs the team a ton of money and you're giving up a more proven role player to boot....

1) hands are not tied: we still have expirings in tony, billy and lester that could net us a player up to $4.7mil in salary;

2) It costs the team nothing this year. Not a dime. Yes, they add 4mil in payroll next year, but to predict how they use that salary today is pretty pointless;

3) Calling LRMAM's game comperable to Tony Allen's is a copout. A) Tony is walking (or limping) injury, B) Luc is 5 inches taller than Tony... 5, C) Luc has a functioning brain and doesn't play outside of his abilities.

4) What position do you see as that with the greatest need for depth? Besides the 3 i think the only other arguement is PG. So we'll use that 4.7mil on a PG if we need to. Or just add Ty Lue.

The guy I'm talking about trading for can defend 2s and 3s and 4s -- in many cases at the 4 better than the karate choppin' 4 we're going to give up, which happens to be the deepest position on the team anyway. So i think the value of his "role" is pretty high.

Since it's not yours and it really doesn't change our cap position, using the money as the reason doesn't fly to me.  The essential question: would you trade Baby for Mbah a Moute straight up?

[wdleehi]

Just not a move that improves the title chances this year and removes certain flexibility in the future. 


I rather have all the expirering contracts to put together to make a trade in case someone gets hurt.  (like say Rondo)

I think that flexibilty is worth more then the players that would come in this trade.

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Just not a move that improves the title chances this year and removes certain flexibility in the future. 


I rather have all the expirering contracts to put together to make a trade in case someone gets hurt.  (like say Rondo)

I think that flexibilty is worth more then the players that would come in this trade.

The most rational arguement thus far, tho it remains to be seen whether this deal would improve their title chances this year. If one's in favor of waiting, I can understand that.

I DO think the Cs should seriously consider a deal like this -- a deal that brings the Cs back some assets -- if no immediate need arises before the deadline. To not use our expirings this season, or to not have others of mis-market value in the future, will likely hurt our ability to rebuild on the fly with Rondo and Perk as the Big Three get older.

Let's face it, Ray, Paul and KG are very unlikely getting traded, even in the last year of their deals. So what few other assets we have need to be used to find new assets, because the Cs will be hamped by the cap and stuck only with late 1st round draft picks.

Agreed? This doesn't have to be about Mbah a Moute, I'm speaking generally now...

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JA Anande was nice enough to weigh in on my trade idea in his ESPN chat. Here's what he said:

Tim (@ Work)
JA - Pat(Rick)s verbatim question was answered in BOTH your and Hollinger's chat, but I can't get ONE in???Who doesn't do this deal: BOS trades Baby, Scal (expiring) and Giddens (expiring) to MIL for Mbah a Moute and Gadzuric. MIL gets a good young PF in Davis and Kohl saves a ton of dough on DG's deal, and the Cs get a great young defender. Thoughts?

J.A. Adande  (3:38 PM)
Can't believe you invested time worrying about this trade, but since you did...why would Milwaukee want to get rid of an effective player like Luc Richard who's making less than $1 million

He seems to be with me -- Milwaukee likely doesn't do it -- and otherwise points out the obvious: That I spend time thinking about these minor deals is disturbing.