Josh Childress?

[dlpin]

You are reading too much into very specific stat that favors well for Josh Childress. I mean, why use the 3PT shot accuracy to assess his 3PT shooting?

Seriously now, I indeed believe that stat is a bit misleading in this case. How many outside shots does he make? One every four games? He isn't a good shooter (he's not terrible either, in spite of the ugly form); he has a very good shot selection, I'll give you that.

I agree with greg: he's a nice, versatile, mistaken-free player who isn't worth what he's asking. If he wants to sign for a Tony Allen like contract, then I like it.

Oh, I agree he is not a great shooter, but I just think that saying that he can't hit a 3pt shot, or that he can't hit a jump shot, are a tad unfair.

But as I said in the first page of this thread, I also think that it would take more to sign him than we should be willing to spend.

[billysan]

Regardless of any shortcomings listed here for Josh Childress, here are a few points I think worth considering.

He is a huge upgrade at the wing over any of our bench wings.

He is well worth the full MLE.

He is much faster and more athletic than most of our roster, except for Rondo of course.

He regularly brought the ball up court and would be an excellent pairing with Eddie House on the second unit.

He can play backup SF and handle the ball much better than Tony Allen.

I just dont see any more talented or versatile wing/backcourt players available in FA this summer that would possibly sign for the MLE. Trevor Ariza? Ricky Davis? Who am I missing? The list gets weak very fast IMO.

[cordobes]

I don't know if we can spend the entire MLE in a wing backup. If we do, it has to be on someone better than Childress: guys like Ariza or Marion. Personally, I'd take Grant Hill over Childress and I'd never even think twice about it.

Childress ability to play point-forward is over-rated, IMO. He can dribble the ball up, but he doesn't have the creativity, the vision or the passing to lead the offence consistently. One valuable asset Childress brings to the table is something his coach in Olympicos uses him for: to put pressure on the ball-handler. He's a really good on-the-ball defender. That's not enough for me though.

If he was an unrestricted free-agent, I'd consider trying to sign him. With the Hawks having matching rights, I don't think it's happening and I don't think it should happen.

[footey]

I don't know if we can spend the entire MLE in a wing backup. If we do, it has to be on someone better than Childress: guys like Ariza or Marion. Personally, I'd take Grant Hill over Childress and I'd never even think twice about it.

Childress ability to play point-forward is over-rated, IMO. He can dribble the ball up, but he doesn't have the creativity, the vision or the passing to lead the offence consistently. One valuable asset Childress brings to the table is something his coach in Olympicos uses him for: to put pressure on the ball-handler. He's a really good on-the-ball defender. That's not enough for me though.

If he was an unrestricted free-agent, I'd consider trying to sign him. With the Hawks having matching rights, I don't think it's happening and I don't think it should happen.

If the price was the same, I would take Childress over Grant Hill. Younger, and more of an energy guy. Was extremely impressive in playoffs vs. Celtics. I think he would be a great Celtic. Grant Hill will be 37 in October, and has a history of injuries. No thank you.

[nickagneta]

For me if it came down to having to give Childress the MLE max contract for 4 years or Grant Hill any contract under the MLE for a year or two(considering how little Hill made last year I don't think he would need to be sign for more than $2.5 million for a couple of years and probably less), I'ld take Grant Hill every day of the week. If I could get Childress at the same money as Hill then I'd sign Childress. But that's not gonna happen.

[cordobes]

I don't know if we can spend the entire MLE in a wing backup. If we do, it has to be on someone better than Childress: guys like Ariza or Marion. Personally, I'd take Grant Hill over Childress and I'd never even think twice about it.

Childress ability to play point-forward is over-rated, IMO. He can dribble the ball up, but he doesn't have the creativity, the vision or the passing to lead the offence consistently. One valuable asset Childress brings to the table is something his coach in Olympicos uses him for: to put pressure on the ball-handler. He's a really good on-the-ball defender. That's not enough for me though.

If he was an unrestricted free-agent, I'd consider trying to sign him. With the Hawks having matching rights, I don't think it's happening and I don't think it should happen.

If the price was the same, I would take Childress over Grant Hill. Younger, and more of an energy guy. Was extremely impressive in playoffs vs. Celtics. I think he would be a great Celtic. Grant Hill will be 37 in October, and has a history of injuries. No thank you.

People over-rate the importance of good playoff performances (especially versus the Celtics). That's the only reason Childress is so popular here.

[nickagneta]

I don't know if we can spend the entire MLE in a wing backup. If we do, it has to be on someone better than Childress: guys like Ariza or Marion. Personally, I'd take Grant Hill over Childress and I'd never even think twice about it.

Childress ability to play point-forward is over-rated, IMO. He can dribble the ball up, but he doesn't have the creativity, the vision or the passing to lead the offence consistently. One valuable asset Childress brings to the table is something his coach in Olympicos uses him for: to put pressure on the ball-handler. He's a really good on-the-ball defender. That's not enough for me though.

If he was an unrestricted free-agent, I'd consider trying to sign him. With the Hawks having matching rights, I don't think it's happening and I don't think it should happen.

If the price was the same, I would take Childress over Grant Hill. Younger, and more of an energy guy. Was extremely impressive in playoffs vs. Celtics. I think he would be a great Celtic. Grant Hill will be 37 in October, and has a history of injuries. No thank you.

People over-rate the importance of good playoff performances (especially versus the Celtics). That's the only reason Childress is so popular here.

Cor, what's the word out of the European league anyway? is Childress likely to leave? From everything I've read, which admittedly is not a lot, it sounds like he's very content there and likes the success the team had.

[albas89]

I don't know if we can spend the entire MLE in a wing backup. If we do, it has to be on someone better than Childress: guys like Ariza or Marion. Personally, I'd take Grant Hill over Childress and I'd never even think twice about it.

Childress ability to play point-forward is over-rated, IMO. He can dribble the ball up, but he doesn't have the creativity, the vision or the passing to lead the offence consistently. One valuable asset Childress brings to the table is something his coach in Olympicos uses him for: to put pressure on the ball-handler. He's a really good on-the-ball defender. That's not enough for me though.

If he was an unrestricted free-agent, I'd consider trying to sign him. With the Hawks having matching rights, I don't think it's happening and I don't think it should happen.

If the price was the same, I would take Childress over Grant Hill. Younger, and more of an energy guy. Was extremely impressive in playoffs vs. Celtics. I think he would be a great Celtic. Grant Hill will be 37 in October, and has a history of injuries. No thank you.

People over-rate the importance of good playoff performances (especially versus the Celtics). That's the only reason Childress is so popular here.

Cor, what's the word out of the European league anyway? is Childress likely to leave? From everything I've read, which admittedly is not a lot, it sounds like he's very content there and likes the success the team had.

It was not a successful year for Olympiakos! They made it to the Euroleague Final Four, but eventually they won nothing, last night they lost the greek championship, too! I'm from Greece and I can tell you that Olympiakos fans are not satisfied by Childress! They thought they would buy a great all-around player, but they hadn't realized that he's not a good shooter! Childress talked last night about leaving or remaining an Olympiakos' player! He said he can't tell what's gonna happen, but right now his intention is to stay! The club wants him to make his decision without putting pressure on him, but the fact is that Childress didn't fully meet their expectations! I don't think it's his fault, it's the fans who were much too enthusiastic about his acquisition, they thought Childress would be a difference maker in Europe and he wasn't!

[nickagneta]

I don't know if we can spend the entire MLE in a wing backup. If we do, it has to be on someone better than Childress: guys like Ariza or Marion. Personally, I'd take Grant Hill over Childress and I'd never even think twice about it.

Childress ability to play point-forward is over-rated, IMO. He can dribble the ball up, but he doesn't have the creativity, the vision or the passing to lead the offence consistently. One valuable asset Childress brings to the table is something his coach in Olympicos uses him for: to put pressure on the ball-handler. He's a really good on-the-ball defender. That's not enough for me though.

If he was an unrestricted free-agent, I'd consider trying to sign him. With the Hawks having matching rights, I don't think it's happening and I don't think it should happen.

If the price was the same, I would take Childress over Grant Hill. Younger, and more of an energy guy. Was extremely impressive in playoffs vs. Celtics. I think he would be a great Celtic. Grant Hill will be 37 in October, and has a history of injuries. No thank you.

People over-rate the importance of good playoff performances (especially versus the Celtics). That's the only reason Childress is so popular here.

Cor, what's the word out of the European league anyway? is Childress likely to leave? From everything I've read, which admittedly is not a lot, it sounds like he's very content there and likes the success the team had.

It was not a successful year for Olympiakos! They made it to the Euroleague Final Four, but eventually they won nothing, last night they lost the greek championship, too! I'm from Greece and I can tell you that Olympiakos fans are not satisfied by Childress! They thought they would buy a great all-around player, but they hadn't realized that he's not a good shooter! Childress talked last night about leaving or remaining an Olympiakos' player! He said he can't tell what's gonna happen, but right now his intention is to stay! The club wants him to make his decision without putting pressure on him, but the fact is that Childress didn't fully meet their expectations! I don't think it's his fault, it's the fans who were much too enthusiastic about his acquisition, they thought Childress would be a difference maker in Europe and he wasn't!

Well the view of success is objective. Childress played here in Atlanta and never had a winning season, nevermind playing in Final Fours or champioship games. But, from a fan of Olympiakos, I can understand if they don't consider that success.

[Moranis]

I don't know if we can spend the entire MLE in a wing backup. If we do, it has to be on someone better than Childress: guys like Ariza or Marion. Personally, I'd take Grant Hill over Childress and I'd never even think twice about it.

Childress ability to play point-forward is over-rated, IMO. He can dribble the ball up, but he doesn't have the creativity, the vision or the passing to lead the offence consistently. One valuable asset Childress brings to the table is something his coach in Olympicos uses him for: to put pressure on the ball-handler. He's a really good on-the-ball defender. That's not enough for me though.

If he was an unrestricted free-agent, I'd consider trying to sign him. With the Hawks having matching rights, I don't think it's happening and I don't think it should happen.

If the price was the same, I would take Childress over Grant Hill. Younger, and more of an energy guy. Was extremely impressive in playoffs vs. Celtics. I think he would be a great Celtic. Grant Hill will be 37 in October, and has a history of injuries. No thank you.

People over-rate the importance of good playoff performances (especially versus the Celtics). That's the only reason Childress is so popular here.

Cor, what's the word out of the European league anyway? is Childress likely to leave? From everything I've read, which admittedly is not a lot, it sounds like he's very content there and likes the success the team had.

It was not a successful year for Olympiakos! They made it to the Euroleague Final Four, but eventually they won nothing, last night they lost the greek championship, too! I'm from Greece and I can tell you that Olympiakos fans are not satisfied by Childress! They thought they would buy a great all-around player, but they hadn't realized that he's not a good shooter! Childress talked last night about leaving or remaining an Olympiakos' player! He said he can't tell what's gonna happen, but right now his intention is to stay! The club wants him to make his decision without putting pressure on him, but the fact is that Childress didn't fully meet their expectations! I don't think it's his fault, it's the fans who were much too enthusiastic about his acquisition, they thought Childress would be a difference maker in Europe and he wasn't!

The guy was a bench player for a team that barely made the playoffs and the fans actually thought he was going to be a difference maker.  I realize Europe has lesser talent on the whole than the NBA, but Childress was not even a starter on the middle of a road team.  Olympiakos got exactly what they paid for, a good solid player, but not a star.

[ederson]

I don`t know i anyone expected HC to play up to his contract. I mean he got almost the double of the highest player in Europe. You can`t be satisfied when a 7m player has ~15p (26mins/g) in the regular season in a not very competitive league.

And it wasn`t JC`s fault. Olimpiacos didn`t know who they signed! The 3p line is closer to basket that makes the defense tighter and easier to double team. So Childress had little to no room to go to the basket.

My prediction is he`ll return to USA. I doubt he enjoyed playing here and i think the owners of olimpiacos would like to spend the money on someone else

[cordobes]

I don`t know i anyone expected HC to play up to his contract. I mean he got almost the double of the highest player in Europe.

As far as I know, that's not true. He's the highest paid, but some guys come much closer than you're assuming. I agree it wasn't JC's fault, but I disagree when you say that Olympiacos didn't know who they signed.

I don't think it's his fault, it's the fans who were much too enthusiastic about his acquisition, they thought Childress would be a difference maker in Europe and he wasn't!

As I often say, most fans are clueless. Childress was a glamorous signing, but it was obvious he didn't have the skill-set to be a difference-maker, especially in the European basketball (where, truth to be told, even the style of the game isn't conductive to the existence of difference-makers). I don't think Giannakis was counting on Childress to be someone like a prime Papaloukas or even Bourousis. Anyway, I don't think it's fair to consider his salary a factor when evaluating Childress - he's not the one to blame because the Angeloupoulos decided to embark on an ego trip.

However, even as a role-player Childress was far from impressive, especially versus the better competition in the Euroleague (I think his performance in the Greek League out of the games versus the top4 teams is irrelevant). Even as an energetic wing who does the little things and plays hard, I can think of a few guys who were better than Childress (and that I'd rather have playing for the Cs). I mean, Childress was very probably less useful to Olympiacos than he was to the Hawks and from that perspective, I agree he was a disappointment.

Cor, what's the word out of the European league anyway? is Childress likely to leave? From everything I've read, which admittedly is not a lot, it sounds like he's very content there and likes the success the team had.

Nick, as albas said, his team didn't have any success at all, quite the opposite, but Childress said yesterday that as of now he's very inclined to stay there another year.