Mikki Moore is the worst defensive big man in the NBA (vent thread)

[winsomme]

I'll never get EJ Playa reasoning about how one should set the expectations, and therefore the validity of criticism, for bench players.

On the one hand, it's fair game to criticize BBD because he's supposed to be a contributor and a rotation player. On the other hand, his reaction to Moore is exactly the same he had on every single thread where POB was criticized (with the exception that he guaranteed that POB was a 2 years project and that would be here next season  ).

However, BBD is the 2nd rounder sophomore. POB was the lottery pick in his 3rd season and Moore a veteran who started for playoff teams. Plus, Davis is the most underpaid of the 3.

It's puzzling.

Funny how there have been tons of comments since I posted last in here and you single me out cordobes...

Let me try to explain it to you. In the offseason we made attempts to upgrade the backup center spot since BBD had basically gotten himself pushed to the bench and Ainge knew that PJ was likely going to stay retired. There was no one that he liked as an upgrade, so he decided to take a project in POB that may or may not pan out. Obviously they felt it wasn't going to.

With BBD stepping it up and Powe also being able to contribute, they felt that they could either sign a vet that would give them something like Zo, or Mutombo, or Joe Smith and battle BBD getting backup minutes. When none of those panned out they decided to sign instead a backup to the backup who had a few skills they could use if BBD didn't continue to progress. They did not ever intend Mikki to get 17 minutes a game, and you know this because Perk is going to get more minutes, BBD is getting more minutes, as well as Powe. Where do you think Mikki's minutes are going to come from?! He will get a few here and there when they are in foul trouble, and if he is playing well or there is a specific need then he will stay a little longer.

How hard is that to understand? I don't think ripping a 11th man that is doing exactly what he was thought to provide is very useful. Especially when he is providing the same stats as PJ, and what he can't provide in physical play like PJ did he provides in heart and energy.

Mutombo didn't pan out? How exactly did you get that out of what happened?

If anything, they passed on Deke to get someone better. and then all of a sudden decided to not do that and sign more of a niche guy like Mikki...

I agree that Mikki can do some things here, but i still don't see if you agree that Mikki is an end of the bench guy what the big risk was if we had decided to wait to see who was bought out.

[BballTim]

I'll never get EJ Playa reasoning about how one should set the expectations, and therefore the validity of criticism, for bench players.

On the one hand, it's fair game to criticize BBD because he's supposed to be a contributor and a rotation player. On the other hand, his reaction to Moore is exactly the same he had on every single thread where POB was criticized (with the exception that he guaranteed that POB was a 2 years project and that would be here next season  ).

However, BBD is the 2nd rounder sophomore. POB was the lottery pick in his 3rd season and Moore a veteran who started for playoff teams. Plus, Davis is the most underpaid of the 3.

It's puzzling.

Funny how there have been tons of comments since I posted last in here and you single me out cordobes...

Let me try to explain it to you. In the offseason we made attempts to upgrade the backup center spot since BBD had basically gotten himself pushed to the bench and Ainge knew that PJ was likely going to stay retired. There was no one that he liked as an upgrade, so he decided to take a project in POB that may or may not pan out. Obviously they felt it wasn't going to.

With BBD stepping it up and Powe also being able to contribute, they felt that they could either sign a vet that would give them something like Zo, or Mutombo, or Joe Smith and battle BBD getting backup minutes. When none of those panned out they decided to sign instead a backup to the backup who had a few skills they could use if BBD didn't continue to progress. They did not ever intend Mikki to get 17 minutes a game, and you know this because Perk is going to get more minutes, BBD is getting more minutes, as well as Powe. Where do you think Mikki's minutes are going to come from?! He will get a few here and there when they are in foul trouble, and if he is playing well or there is a specific need then he will stay a little longer.

How hard is that to understand? I don't think ripping a 11th man that is doing exactly what he was thought to provide is very useful. Especially when he is providing the same stats as PJ, and what he can't provide in physical play like PJ did he provides in heart and energy.

Mutombo didn't pan out? How exactly did you get that out of what happened?

If anything, they passed on Deke to get someone better. and then all of a sudden decided to not do that and sign more of a niche guy like Mikki...

I agree that Mikki can do some things here, but i still don't see if you agree that Mikki is an end of the bench guy what the big risk was if we had decided to wait to see who was bought out.

 Dikembe's played about 50 minutes this year. How does that constitute panning out?

[winsomme]

I'll never get EJ Playa reasoning about how one should set the expectations, and therefore the validity of criticism, for bench players.

On the one hand, it's fair game to criticize BBD because he's supposed to be a contributor and a rotation player. On the other hand, his reaction to Moore is exactly the same he had on every single thread where POB was criticized (with the exception that he guaranteed that POB was a 2 years project and that would be here next season  ).

However, BBD is the 2nd rounder sophomore. POB was the lottery pick in his 3rd season and Moore a veteran who started for playoff teams. Plus, Davis is the most underpaid of the 3.

It's puzzling.

Funny how there have been tons of comments since I posted last in here and you single me out cordobes...

Let me try to explain it to you. In the offseason we made attempts to upgrade the backup center spot since BBD had basically gotten himself pushed to the bench and Ainge knew that PJ was likely going to stay retired. There was no one that he liked as an upgrade, so he decided to take a project in POB that may or may not pan out. Obviously they felt it wasn't going to.

With BBD stepping it up and Powe also being able to contribute, they felt that they could either sign a vet that would give them something like Zo, or Mutombo, or Joe Smith and battle BBD getting backup minutes. When none of those panned out they decided to sign instead a backup to the backup who had a few skills they could use if BBD didn't continue to progress. They did not ever intend Mikki to get 17 minutes a game, and you know this because Perk is going to get more minutes, BBD is getting more minutes, as well as Powe. Where do you think Mikki's minutes are going to come from?! He will get a few here and there when they are in foul trouble, and if he is playing well or there is a specific need then he will stay a little longer.

How hard is that to understand? I don't think ripping a 11th man that is doing exactly what he was thought to provide is very useful. Especially when he is providing the same stats as PJ, and what he can't provide in physical play like PJ did he provides in heart and energy.

Mutombo didn't pan out? How exactly did you get that out of what happened?

If anything, they passed on Deke to get someone better. and then all of a sudden decided to not do that and sign more of a niche guy like Mikki...

I agree that Mikki can do some things here, but i still don't see if you agree that Mikki is an end of the bench guy what the big risk was if we had decided to wait to see who was bought out.

 Dikembe's played about 50 minutes this year. How does that constitute panning out?

I'm pretty sure he meant "pan out" in terms of actually being available to come to Boston given the list of players he mentioned.

but that is why i asked the question....

[BballTim]

I'll never get EJ Playa reasoning about how one should set the expectations, and therefore the validity of criticism, for bench players.

On the one hand, it's fair game to criticize BBD because he's supposed to be a contributor and a rotation player. On the other hand, his reaction to Moore is exactly the same he had on every single thread where POB was criticized (with the exception that he guaranteed that POB was a 2 years project and that would be here next season  ).

However, BBD is the 2nd rounder sophomore. POB was the lottery pick in his 3rd season and Moore a veteran who started for playoff teams. Plus, Davis is the most underpaid of the 3.

It's puzzling.

Funny how there have been tons of comments since I posted last in here and you single me out cordobes...

Let me try to explain it to you. In the offseason we made attempts to upgrade the backup center spot since BBD had basically gotten himself pushed to the bench and Ainge knew that PJ was likely going to stay retired. There was no one that he liked as an upgrade, so he decided to take a project in POB that may or may not pan out. Obviously they felt it wasn't going to.

With BBD stepping it up and Powe also being able to contribute, they felt that they could either sign a vet that would give them something like Zo, or Mutombo, or Joe Smith and battle BBD getting backup minutes. When none of those panned out they decided to sign instead a backup to the backup who had a few skills they could use if BBD didn't continue to progress. They did not ever intend Mikki to get 17 minutes a game, and you know this because Perk is going to get more minutes, BBD is getting more minutes, as well as Powe. Where do you think Mikki's minutes are going to come from?! He will get a few here and there when they are in foul trouble, and if he is playing well or there is a specific need then he will stay a little longer.

How hard is that to understand? I don't think ripping a 11th man that is doing exactly what he was thought to provide is very useful. Especially when he is providing the same stats as PJ, and what he can't provide in physical play like PJ did he provides in heart and energy.

Mutombo didn't pan out? How exactly did you get that out of what happened?

If anything, they passed on Deke to get someone better. and then all of a sudden decided to not do that and sign more of a niche guy like Mikki...

I agree that Mikki can do some things here, but i still don't see if you agree that Mikki is an end of the bench guy what the big risk was if we had decided to wait to see who was bought out.

 Dikembe's played about 50 minutes this year. How does that constitute panning out?

I'm pretty sure he meant "pan out" in terms of actually being available to come to Boston given the list of players he mentioned.

but that is why i asked the question....

  Sorry, then. But what's he done this year to show that we'd be a better team with him on the roster?

[winsomme]

I'll never get EJ Playa reasoning about how one should set the expectations, and therefore the validity of criticism, for bench players.

On the one hand, it's fair game to criticize BBD because he's supposed to be a contributor and a rotation player. On the other hand, his reaction to Moore is exactly the same he had on every single thread where POB was criticized (with the exception that he guaranteed that POB was a 2 years project and that would be here next season  ).

However, BBD is the 2nd rounder sophomore. POB was the lottery pick in his 3rd season and Moore a veteran who started for playoff teams. Plus, Davis is the most underpaid of the 3.

It's puzzling.

Funny how there have been tons of comments since I posted last in here and you single me out cordobes...

Let me try to explain it to you. In the offseason we made attempts to upgrade the backup center spot since BBD had basically gotten himself pushed to the bench and Ainge knew that PJ was likely going to stay retired. There was no one that he liked as an upgrade, so he decided to take a project in POB that may or may not pan out. Obviously they felt it wasn't going to.

With BBD stepping it up and Powe also being able to contribute, they felt that they could either sign a vet that would give them something like Zo, or Mutombo, or Joe Smith and battle BBD getting backup minutes. When none of those panned out they decided to sign instead a backup to the backup who had a few skills they could use if BBD didn't continue to progress. They did not ever intend Mikki to get 17 minutes a game, and you know this because Perk is going to get more minutes, BBD is getting more minutes, as well as Powe. Where do you think Mikki's minutes are going to come from?! He will get a few here and there when they are in foul trouble, and if he is playing well or there is a specific need then he will stay a little longer.

How hard is that to understand? I don't think ripping a 11th man that is doing exactly what he was thought to provide is very useful. Especially when he is providing the same stats as PJ, and what he can't provide in physical play like PJ did he provides in heart and energy.

Mutombo didn't pan out? How exactly did you get that out of what happened?

If anything, they passed on Deke to get someone better. and then all of a sudden decided to not do that and sign more of a niche guy like Mikki...

I agree that Mikki can do some things here, but i still don't see if you agree that Mikki is an end of the bench guy what the big risk was if we had decided to wait to see who was bought out.

 Dikembe's played about 50 minutes this year. How does that constitute panning out?

I'm pretty sure he meant "pan out" in terms of actually being available to come to Boston given the list of players he mentioned.

but that is why i asked the question....

  Sorry, then. But what's he done this year to show that we'd be a better team with him on the roster?

Well, he hasn't done anything either way given the amount of time he's played...

But, I actually agreed with passing on Deke thinking the plan was to wait and see if an impact player was bought out.

but if all we really thought we needed was a niche guy, i'd probably have just grabbed Deke due to his skill set and his play from last season...

[BballTim]

but if all we really thought we needed was a niche guy, i'd probably have just grabbed Deke due to his skill set and his play from last season...

  What's his play like this year, though? There's a reason players retire, and that's because their play erodes over time.

[winsomme]

but if all we really thought we needed was a niche guy, i'd probably have just grabbed Deke due to his skill set and his play from last season...

  What's his play like this year, though? There's a reason players retire, and that's because their play erodes over time.

I'm not trying to dodge the question, i just don't think there is enough of a sample size to say one way or the other what his play is like this year...

that said, at the end of last season, he carried a heavy workload for the Rockets.

[EJPLAYA]

I'll never get EJ Playa reasoning about how one should set the expectations, and therefore the validity of criticism, for bench players.

On the one hand, it's fair game to criticize BBD because he's supposed to be a contributor and a rotation player. On the other hand, his reaction to Moore is exactly the same he had on every single thread where POB was criticized (with the exception that he guaranteed that POB was a 2 years project and that would be here next season  ).

However, BBD is the 2nd rounder sophomore. POB was the lottery pick in his 3rd season and Moore a veteran who started for playoff teams. Plus, Davis is the most underpaid of the 3.

It's puzzling.

Funny how there have been tons of comments since I posted last in here and you single me out cordobes...

Let me try to explain it to you. In the offseason we made attempts to upgrade the backup center spot since BBD had basically gotten himself pushed to the bench and Ainge knew that PJ was likely going to stay retired. There was no one that he liked as an upgrade, so he decided to take a project in POB that may or may not pan out. Obviously they felt it wasn't going to.

With BBD stepping it up and Powe also being able to contribute, they felt that they could either sign a vet that would give them something like Zo, or Mutombo, or Joe Smith and battle BBD getting backup minutes. When none of those panned out they decided to sign instead a backup to the backup who had a few skills they could use if BBD didn't continue to progress. They did not ever intend Mikki to get 17 minutes a game, and you know this because Perk is going to get more minutes, BBD is getting more minutes, as well as Powe. Where do you think Mikki's minutes are going to come from?! He will get a few here and there when they are in foul trouble, and if he is playing well or there is a specific need then he will stay a little longer.

How hard is that to understand? I don't think ripping a 11th man that is doing exactly what he was thought to provide is very useful. Especially when he is providing the same stats as PJ, and what he can't provide in physical play like PJ did he provides in heart and energy.

You completely miss the point. What's hard to understand is why you are so dismissive of any criticism towards POB and Moore and yet you start threads ripping on Glen Davis. It doesn't make sense whatsoever.

In fact, I'd say that BBD is doing even more than what he was thought to provide. It's the double-standard that puzzles me.

Not a double standard. Just putting my emphasis on the guys that actually have a real shot at making this team better. BBD, if he plays the right way, can be a very useful player for us and make a big difference in wins and losses. POB and Mikki wouldn't see much time in the playoffs. I just don't see why you would waste your time criticizing him to this extent. Much better to discuss the guys who actually make a big difference in us repeating.