Marbury: "Boston needs a PG and I wouldn't mind coming off the bench "

[GroverTheClover]

I am extremely conflicted to whether I would like Marbury in a Celtics uniform so I've decided to lay out some Pros and Cons.

Pros:
-He would immediately bolster the offense on the second unit and give us a solid 6th man.
-He'd arguably be the best ball handler on the team.
-He can definently run the point better than Cassell and House.
-He seems to want to accept a lesser role, perhaps the pressure of playing for the hometown team got to him, plus the Knicks' problems. Possibly taking him out of the spotlight and placing him in a winning situation may help him recover his passion/skills/fire.
-Parallels to Randy Moss are inevitable, but Marbury's reputation is a couple degrees worse.
-We can sign him to a Darius Miles type contract and cut him at the first sign of trouble.
-He will have some strong minded veterans around him.
-He has an opportunity to rejuvenate his career and turn around some of the negative connotations, you have to believe a rational person would want this badly. (However, seeing some past interviews, it's not clear if he is a rational or emotionally stable person.)
-He has done some good things for the community.
-New Yorkers hate him. (He must be doing something right. )


Cons:
-The biggie: Team chemistry when you've got disruptions, they will be an issue, especially with Doc (Recall, Marcus Banks, Ricky Davis, Mark Blount, Marbury is arguably worse then all three combined.)
-DUI (I wasn't too pleased originally with Pose signing because of this but I'll be willing to overlook it), and involvement in sexual harassment and sleeping with an intern does not exactly scream character guy. Keep him away from the Celtics Dancers.
-With Miles and Marbury on the same team, it certainly increases the chances of distractions.
-Each and every team he leaves, gets drastically better.
-Long history of coach-killing.
-Is he ready to accept a supporting role?

Overall, I'm not sure the pros outweigh the cons, but again, if we sign him to a low risk high reward type contract it might work.

[2short]

Sam & Marbury actually have the same type of game; they both need the ball a large percentage of the time to make their own games work the best.  At this point Sam is done, 3rd string guard/ast coach is fine.  I have not like Marbury at any time in his career and from every indication he's not a guy like House, Powe, Scal.  Guys who will sit on the bench (even when they deserve time) and not complain or become locker room problems.
No starbury, no thanks! He & Miles on the same team is just asking for trouble.
Rondo can play the majority of minutes, house can spell him and give pruitt some time his stroke is ray allen like.

[Sweet17]

Would Moss be happy coming off he bench and being the 4th, 5th option?

As long as it was Tom Brady throwing to him and not Matt Cassell he might be.

[Schupac]

Darius Miles, J.R.Giddens, Patrick O'Bryant, Bill Walker, Tony Allen. Now Stephon Marburying?
Too many question marks on this team.

We might as well sign Amy Winehouse.

They tried to make me go to practice but I said no, no, no...

[bbc3341]

Nooooooooooooooooooooo

[blazingarrow]

Darius Miles, J.R.Giddens, Patrick O'Bryant, Bill Walker, Tony Allen. Now Stephon Marburying?
Too many question marks on this team.

We might as well sign Amy Winehouse.

They tried to make me go to practice but I said no, no, no...

Can someone Photoshop a Celtics uniform on the pic?

[jdub1660]

TP to GrovertheClover for taking the time to give a fair observation on Marbury. If this was a video game team, I'd take him in a heartbeat. Numerically he's great. He's talented, but his attitude and maturity is ridiculously low. I was bothered to see how DWade COMPLETELY avoided the question of how he'd like/dislike having Marbury as a PG and how they played together on the FIBA squad a few years back. Plus in the interview and publicly he thinks he's done no wrong and deserves all his money. We all might think that from time to time, but at some point he's got to man-up to his responsibilities and move on. Maybe if he showed some respect to management instead of riding his high horse then he could be traded easier. I know this sounds crazy, but what about a trade to Denver for AI, since AI is probably leaving for less to a championship team next season. It's a complete even swap in contracts. If Marbury becomes Starbury again, then he could resign. If he stays awful, then it would be the end of him and he can leave overseas. As for AI, he would only thrive successfully in D'antoni's system, and NY would be an offense monster and threat in the east. Marbury is a better PG than AI, AI is a better SG than Marbury, and that would solve issues for both teams. AI and Melo aren't clicking, so let Stephon get a chance....any thoughts?

[Schupac]

jdub1660 - not to give you a hard time, but it's really hard to read posts that aren't divided into paragraphs.  You'll get a lot more reads if you take the time to be readable :-)

Regarding AI for Steph... I could actually see Denver doing that.  Steph's contract is off the books next season, and it is VERY clear they want to create cap space.  NY would probably have to sweeten the deal somehow though... probably David Lee, and maybe a future pick.  But NY would want to do it if only for the HUGE draw Iverson would be in New York.  And of course they would improve worlds with The Answer on board.

[shookones99]

jdub1660 - not to give you a hard time, but it's really hard to read posts that aren't divided into paragraphs.  You'll get a lot more reads if you take the time to be readable :-)

Regarding AI for Steph... I could actually see Denver doing that.  Steph's contract is off the books next season, and it is VERY clear they want to create cap space.  NY would probably have to sweeten the deal somehow though... probably David Lee, and maybe a future pick.  But NY would want to do it if only for the HUGE draw Iverson would be in New York.  And of course they would improve worlds with The Answer on board.

Ya but I am pretty sure Iverson's contract is up after the season as well.

[Greenback]

Marbury is more selfish than Sam I Am. 

Starberry doesn't play defense. 

He doesn't make the teams he plays for win. 

No me gusta.

[silvershamrocker]

Marbury is more selfish than Sam I Am. 

And the biggest reason people hate Sam is because he was selfish, and he took a lot of bad shots. Marbury is 10 times more selfish than Sam. TP for you.

Starberry doesn't play defense.

He doesn't make the teams he plays for win. 

Yes. He doesn't defend and he's not a winner. Plus, he's not a center or a small forward, the two biggest needs on this team. (You could also argue we need a pass first point, but marbury is not a pass first guy).  And people want him, why?

[bdm860]

Cons:
-Each and every team he leaves, gets drastically better.

Twolves 97-98, Record 45-37 (Marbury played all year, Garnett was only in his 3rd year)
Twolves 1999 (lockout season), Record 25-25 - Marbury was traded half way through the season.
Twolves 99-00, First full season after Marbury.  Record 50-32

Nets 00-01, Record 26-56, (Marbury played 67 games, Van Horn played 49, Kenyon Martin 68, Kerry Kittles missed whole season, Jayson Williams forced to retire)
Nets 01-02, Record 52-30, (Kidd played 82, Van Horn played 81, Kittles played 82, added Richard Jefferson who played 79)

Phoenix 02-03, Record 44-38 (with Marbury all year)
Phoenix 03-04, Record 29-53 (Marbury traded half way through the season, Stoudemire played 55 games, coaching change midseason)
Phoenix 04-05, Record 62-20 (Adding Nash and Quentin Richardson, Stoudemire played 80 games)

I don't think you can blame Marbury for the Nets turnaround (serious injuries, and then added Richard Jefferson via draft) or Phoenix's turnaround (injuries as well, and then adding Nash and Quentin Richardson via free agency) after he left.  Both teams were devasted by injuries during Marbury's last seasons there, then were able to field healthy rosters and add quality players after he left.  And the Twolves turnaround could just be based on the natural progression of Kevin Garnett.  We're talking about a 21 year old Garnett in Marbury's last full season verse a 23 year old Garnett in the next full season without Marbury, how many wins does Garnett add by himself by just being 2 years older?

If Marbury is cut by the Knicks before the season starts, and don't add anybody significant, and the Knicks turn things around (I don't think there's anyway the Knicks can turn that train wreck around with or without Marbury), then I'll be convinced there's something not right with Marbury (of course it won't take much convincing now, I just don't think pointing to teams turnaround is fair given the circumstances). 

Maybe Marbury is just bad luck and if we signed him then Garnett, Pierce, and Allen would all miss serious time due to injury. 

Or how about we try to beat the system?  We sign Marbury, then cut him immediately before he even plays a game.  We should see a drastic improvement by just cutting him since teams always get better after Marbury leaves.  We can't lose