Sam Hauser signs extension!

[PAOBoston]

Hauser was a remarkably important piece in our team's success.  Excellent value for his contributions.  Durable.  Good defender.  Makes quick decisions with the ball, moves it immediately if he doesn't have an opening for his shot.
 Contributes even if his shot isn't falling.

Brad has done an A+++ job.

I think more importantly, a big win for the UDFA + development people on the team. Took a few years but Hauser truly developed his deficiencies to a $45 mil contract.

[Moranis]

Totally reasonable deal, maybe even a little less than I expected.

That said I would be pretty surprised if he's on the team past next year. Even a starting salary of 10 million comes with a nearly 80 million dollar salary+tax price in 25-26 given the repeater penalty and adjusted tax rates. So he'll probably end up getting traded for draft pick(s).

I cannot express my hatred for this CBA contract strongly enough - It penalizes great management that builds and then tries to maintain a championship team. The Celts did this the right way, thru the draft, smart trades and player development and what do they get for their efforts after finally winning the title ? An $80M penalty for a $10M/year salary. Ridiculous.

The league's best years were the Golden 80's when you had a handful of elite teams that were allowed to maintain and even add to their rosters with smart management. The genius of Red and Jerry West and, to a lesser degree, the teams constructed in Philly, Milwaukee, Detroit are great examples of what made that era the best. Compare that with the idea of random, non-descript teams becoming champions only to be pushed away in short order to make room for another random, non-descript team to win. We are not quite there yet, but that is where we are headed. Gotta think the socialist-in-the-commissioner's office is smiling.   

Ya its not exactly that Sam himself will cost 80 million, although that will be the output. Its a function of A) Being in the repeater tax in 25-26 B) Being so deep into the tax that every dollar is taxed at 6.75x and C) The new CBA rules making both A and B more expensive then they used to be.

513 million projected salary + tax for 25-26 according to ESPN. Therein lies the rub

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40624963/the-celtics-barreling-nba-first-500m-roster

[Roy H.]

Totally reasonable deal, maybe even a little less than I expected.

That said I would be pretty surprised if he's on the team past next year. Even a starting salary of 10 million comes with a nearly 80 million dollar salary+tax price in 25-26 given the repeater penalty and adjusted tax rates. So he'll probably end up getting traded for draft pick(s).

I cannot express my hatred for this CBA contract strongly enough - It penalizes great management that builds and then tries to maintain a championship team. The Celts did this the right way, thru the draft, smart trades and player development and what do they get for their efforts after finally winning the title ? An $80M penalty for a $10M/year salary. Ridiculous.

The league's best years were the Golden 80's when you had a handful of elite teams that were allowed to maintain and even add to their rosters with smart management. The genius of Red and Jerry West and, to a lesser degree, the teams constructed in Philly, Milwaukee, Detroit are great examples of what made that era the best. Compare that with the idea of random, non-descript teams becoming champions only to be pushed away in short order to make room for another random, non-descript team to win. We are not quite there yet, but that is where we are headed. Gotta think the socialist-in-the-commissioner's office is smiling.   

Ya its not exactly that Sam himself will cost 80 million, although that will be the output. Its a function of A) Being in the repeater tax in 25-26 B) Being so deep into the tax that every dollar is taxed at 6.75x and C) The new CBA rules making both A and B more expensive then they used to be.

513 million projected salary + tax for 25-26 according to ESPN. Therein lies the rub

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40624963/the-celtics-barreling-nba-first-500m-roster

At the same time, team revenue is likely to be around $650 million by then.  They may operate at a loss for one season, but it will hardly be catastrophic.

[Moranis]

Totally reasonable deal, maybe even a little less than I expected.

That said I would be pretty surprised if he's on the team past next year. Even a starting salary of 10 million comes with a nearly 80 million dollar salary+tax price in 25-26 given the repeater penalty and adjusted tax rates. So he'll probably end up getting traded for draft pick(s).

I cannot express my hatred for this CBA contract strongly enough - It penalizes great management that builds and then tries to maintain a championship team. The Celts did this the right way, thru the draft, smart trades and player development and what do they get for their efforts after finally winning the title ? An $80M penalty for a $10M/year salary. Ridiculous.

The league's best years were the Golden 80's when you had a handful of elite teams that were allowed to maintain and even add to their rosters with smart management. The genius of Red and Jerry West and, to a lesser degree, the teams constructed in Philly, Milwaukee, Detroit are great examples of what made that era the best. Compare that with the idea of random, non-descript teams becoming champions only to be pushed away in short order to make room for another random, non-descript team to win. We are not quite there yet, but that is where we are headed. Gotta think the socialist-in-the-commissioner's office is smiling.   

Ya its not exactly that Sam himself will cost 80 million, although that will be the output. Its a function of A) Being in the repeater tax in 25-26 B) Being so deep into the tax that every dollar is taxed at 6.75x and C) The new CBA rules making both A and B more expensive then they used to be.

513 million projected salary + tax for 25-26 according to ESPN. Therein lies the rub

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40624963/the-celtics-barreling-nba-first-500m-roster

At the same time, team revenue is likely to be around $650 million by then.  They may operate at a loss for one season, but it will hardly be catastrophic.

It only gets worse from there though and with a likely new owner how much are they willing to lose right at the start.

And if revenue is 650 million and they owe 513 million in salaries, they won't be operating at a small loss, the loss will be massive.

[Roy H.]

Totally reasonable deal, maybe even a little less than I expected.

That said I would be pretty surprised if he's on the team past next year. Even a starting salary of 10 million comes with a nearly 80 million dollar salary+tax price in 25-26 given the repeater penalty and adjusted tax rates. So he'll probably end up getting traded for draft pick(s).

I cannot express my hatred for this CBA contract strongly enough - It penalizes great management that builds and then tries to maintain a championship team. The Celts did this the right way, thru the draft, smart trades and player development and what do they get for their efforts after finally winning the title ? An $80M penalty for a $10M/year salary. Ridiculous.

The league's best years were the Golden 80's when you had a handful of elite teams that were allowed to maintain and even add to their rosters with smart management. The genius of Red and Jerry West and, to a lesser degree, the teams constructed in Philly, Milwaukee, Detroit are great examples of what made that era the best. Compare that with the idea of random, non-descript teams becoming champions only to be pushed away in short order to make room for another random, non-descript team to win. We are not quite there yet, but that is where we are headed. Gotta think the socialist-in-the-commissioner's office is smiling.   

Ya its not exactly that Sam himself will cost 80 million, although that will be the output. Its a function of A) Being in the repeater tax in 25-26 B) Being so deep into the tax that every dollar is taxed at 6.75x and C) The new CBA rules making both A and B more expensive then they used to be.

513 million projected salary + tax for 25-26 according to ESPN. Therein lies the rub

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40624963/the-celtics-barreling-nba-first-500m-roster

At the same time, team revenue is likely to be around $650 million by then.  They may operate at a loss for one season, but it will hardly be catastrophic.

It only gets worse from there though and with a likely new owner how much are they willing to lose right at the start.

And if revenue is 650 million and they owe 513 million in salaries, they won't be operating at a small loss, the loss will be massive.

It doesn't "only get worse from there", though.  The following year our committed payroll is at least $20 million below the second apron, and could be below the tax.  Now, that's without replacements for KP or Horford, but if we let Porzingis walk, sign somebody at PF with the MLE, and bring back Horford on a minimum deal we're still contenders well below the second apron.

There's flexibility.  Even this year it's possible to get below the second apron without too much long term harm (salary dumping Springer and a couple of minimum contracts, for instance).

[Moranis]

Boston is roughly 7.5million over the 2nd apron this year. So yeah if they dumped Springer, Kornet, and Tillman and brought back no salary and didn't sign anyone, they could get below, but that isn't reasonable.  They are a 2nd apron team this year and next year. 

And what 5 million or so player is going to replace Porzingis?   And how would Boston remain a contender without any big men?

[Vermont Green]

Boston is roughly 7.5million over the 2nd apron this year. So yeah if they dumped Springer, Kornet, and Tillman and brought back no salary and didn't sign anyone, they could get below, but that isn't reasonable.  They are a 2nd apron team this year and next year. 

And what 5 million or so player is going to replace Porzingis?   And how would Boston remain a contender without any big men?

They can't remain a favorite to win the title without Horford and Porzingis.  If there is an effort to -dump- salary in the next two seasons it will likely be by trading one of Brown, Holiday, or White.  The return for one of these would need to be 1 or more decent bigs, to replace Horford and to potentially replace Porzingis.  Springer or someone like that would then need to pick up the guard minutes.

No one wants to do that, but that is the reality.

[Moranis]

Boston is roughly 7.5million over the 2nd apron this year. So yeah if they dumped Springer, Kornet, and Tillman and brought back no salary and didn't sign anyone, they could get below, but that isn't reasonable.  They are a 2nd apron team this year and next year. 

And what 5 million or so player is going to replace Porzingis?   And how would Boston remain a contender without any big men?

They can't remain a favorite to win the title without Horford and Porzingis.  If there is an effort to -dump- salary in the next two seasons it will likely be by trading one of Brown, Holiday, or White.  The return for one of these would need to be 1 or more decent bigs, to replace Horford and to potentially replace Porzingis.  Springer or someone like that would then need to pick up the guard minutes.

No one wants to do that, but that is the reality.

that has been my point in this and other threads.  This is possibly the last year of this group and if not this year, then it will be almost certsinly next year.  The new cba makes all these big contracts impossible.  The one that really stands out is Holiday.  He is going to be paid a lot of money while he declines.  I think there is a pretty good chance he is traded next summer for cheaper expiring contracts and a 1st round pick or 2.  And if they can't get an extension woth Porzingis, I'd trade him in hisnladt year as well. Can't lose him for nothing.

[mobilija]

Boston is roughly 7.5million over the 2nd apron this year. So yeah if they dumped Springer, Kornet, and Tillman and brought back no salary and didn't sign anyone, they could get below, but that isn't reasonable.  They are a 2nd apron team this year and next year. 

And what 5 million or so player is going to replace Porzingis?   And how would Boston remain a contender without any big men?

They can't remain a favorite to win the title without Horford and Porzingis.  If there is an effort to -dump- salary in the next two seasons it will likely be by trading one of Brown, Holiday, or White.  The return for one of these would need to be 1 or more decent bigs, to replace Horford and to potentially replace Porzingis.  Springer or someone like that would then need to pick up the guard minutes.

No one wants to do that, but that is the reality.

that has been my point in this and other threads.  This is possibly the last year of this group and if not this year, then it will be almost certsinly next year.  The new cba makes all these big contracts impossible.  The one that really stands out is Holiday.  He is going to be paid a lot of money while he declines.  I think there is a pretty good chance he is traded next summer for cheaper expiring contracts and a 1st round pick or 2.  And if they can't get an extension woth Porzingis, I'd trade him in hisnladt year as well. Can't lose him for nothing.

Giving Holiday the extension was the right thing to do bc, even as you say, it?s a tradeable contract. You get him for another year and then get something for him. So?.whats all your drama about?

[Roy H.]

Boston is roughly 7.5million over the 2nd apron this year. So yeah if they dumped Springer, Kornet, and Tillman and brought back no salary and didn't sign anyone, they could get below, but that isn't reasonable.  They are a 2nd apron team this year and next year. 

And what 5 million or so player is going to replace Porzingis?   And how would Boston remain a contender without any big men?

They can't remain a favorite to win the title without Horford and Porzingis.  If there is an effort to -dump- salary in the next two seasons it will likely be by trading one of Brown, Holiday, or White.  The return for one of these would need to be 1 or more decent bigs, to replace Horford and to potentially replace Porzingis.  Springer or someone like that would then need to pick up the guard minutes.

No one wants to do that, but that is the reality.

that has been my point in this and other threads.  This is possibly the last year of this group and if not this year, then it will be almost certsinly next year.  The new cba makes all these big contracts impossible.  The one that really stands out is Holiday.  He is going to be paid a lot of money while he declines.  I think there is a pretty good chance he is traded next summer for cheaper expiring contracts and a 1st round pick or 2.  And if they can't get an extension woth Porzingis, I'd trade him in hisnladt year as well. Can't lose him for nothing.

Giving Holiday the extension was the right thing to do bc, even as you say, it?s a tradeable contract. You get him for another year and then get something for him. So?.whats all your drama about?

Right.  What's the complaining?  The team is paying the price to keep a contender together, and has a lot of flexibility because we have good players on good contracts.  The team can easily reset and get below the second apron at any time, while still keeping the majority of its core.

[Moranis]

Boston is roughly 7.5million over the 2nd apron this year. So yeah if they dumped Springer, Kornet, and Tillman and brought back no salary and didn't sign anyone, they could get below, but that isn't reasonable.  They are a 2nd apron team this year and next year. 

And what 5 million or so player is going to replace Porzingis?   And how would Boston remain a contender without any big men?

They can't remain a favorite to win the title without Horford and Porzingis.  If there is an effort to -dump- salary in the next two seasons it will likely be by trading one of Brown, Holiday, or White.  The return for one of these would need to be 1 or more decent bigs, to replace Horford and to potentially replace Porzingis.  Springer or someone like that would then need to pick up the guard minutes.

No one wants to do that, but that is the reality.

that has been my point in this and other threads.  This is possibly the last year of this group and if not this year, then it will be almost certsinly next year.  The new cba makes all these big contracts impossible.  The one that really stands out is Holiday.  He is going to be paid a lot of money while he declines.  I think there is a pretty good chance he is traded next summer for cheaper expiring contracts and a 1st round pick or 2.  And if they can't get an extension woth Porzingis, I'd trade him in hisnladt year as well. Can't lose him for nothing.

Giving Holiday the extension was the right thing to do bc, even as you say, it?s a tradeable contract. You get him for another year and then get something for him. So?.whats all your drama about?

Right.  What's the complaining?  The team is paying the price to keep a contender together, and has a lot of flexibility because we have good players on good contracts.  The team can easily reset and get below the second apron at any time, while still keeping the majority of its core.

It won't be that easy and still remain a contender.  Had Holiday signed a contract more in line with what the market would have dictated this summer, Boston might not even be a 2nd apron team this year (or certainly would be close enough that they could reasonably get under it).  That could have bought an extra year of togetherness and would also lessen the burden in future seasons making it easier to keep Porzingis.  The Holiday contract is way too much money and contrary to what everyone says, they didn't have to give it to him or give it to him when they did.  He could have entered this offseason, assessed the market, and either opted in or re-signed this summer.  And I do think it is highly unlikely he could have even gotten what White got on the open market especially given how the off season played out and just how few teams had cap room.  I think he was more like a 3 year, 90 million or 4 year, 110 million type player.  The difference between that and what he got is massive for a team close to the 2nd apron and when you figure just how much tax it will cost. 

[Roy H.]

Boston is roughly 7.5million over the 2nd apron this year. So yeah if they dumped Springer, Kornet, and Tillman and brought back no salary and didn't sign anyone, they could get below, but that isn't reasonable.  They are a 2nd apron team this year and next year. 

And what 5 million or so player is going to replace Porzingis?   And how would Boston remain a contender without any big men?

They can't remain a favorite to win the title without Horford and Porzingis.  If there is an effort to -dump- salary in the next two seasons it will likely be by trading one of Brown, Holiday, or White.  The return for one of these would need to be 1 or more decent bigs, to replace Horford and to potentially replace Porzingis.  Springer or someone like that would then need to pick up the guard minutes.

No one wants to do that, but that is the reality.

that has been my point in this and other threads.  This is possibly the last year of this group and if not this year, then it will be almost certsinly next year.  The new cba makes all these big contracts impossible.  The one that really stands out is Holiday.  He is going to be paid a lot of money while he declines.  I think there is a pretty good chance he is traded next summer for cheaper expiring contracts and a 1st round pick or 2.  And if they can't get an extension woth Porzingis, I'd trade him in hisnladt year as well. Can't lose him for nothing.

Giving Holiday the extension was the right thing to do bc, even as you say, it?s a tradeable contract. You get him for another year and then get something for him. So?.whats all your drama about?

Right.  What's the complaining?  The team is paying the price to keep a contender together, and has a lot of flexibility because we have good players on good contracts.  The team can easily reset and get below the second apron at any time, while still keeping the majority of its core.

It won't be that easy and still remain a contender.  Had Holiday signed a contract more in line with what the market would have dictated this summer, Boston might not even be a 2nd apron team this year (or certainly would be close enough that they could reasonably get under it).  That could have bought an extra year of togetherness and would also lessen the burden in future seasons making it easier to keep Porzingis.  The Holiday contract is way too much money and contrary to what everyone says, they didn't have to give it to him or give it to him when they did.  He could have entered this offseason, assessed the market, and either opted in or re-signed this summer.  And I do think it is highly unlikely he could have even gotten what White got on the open market especially given how the off season played out and just how few teams had cap room.  I think he was more like a 3 year, 90 million or 4 year, 110 million type player.  The difference between that and what he got is massive for a team close to the 2nd apron and when you figure just how much tax it will cost.

Holiday is making $30 million this season.  That's $7.3 million less than he would have gotten had he picked up his option.  The Celtics essentially gave him new guarantees of 3 years and $98 million.

Ultimately, Holiday's contract is no-lose for the team unless he gets seriously injured.  If the Celtics want to reset in a couple of years, they can trade him, while still benefitting from whatever seasons he does play here.  That's one of many options.

It's very odd that the guy who was gung-ho on trading for Duncan Robinson has a problem with the team keeping Jrue Holiday, or Sam Hauser.  The Celtics are paying fair prices for good players.

[mobilija]

Grasping at straws to throw cold water on the team with no real solutions as to what they should do differently.

[Donoghus]

Grasping at straws to throw cold water on the team with no real solutions as to what they should do differently.

I mean, you're talking about the guy who immediately upon the Celtics winning the title, rather than celebrating the championship, threw a hissy fit over the Finals MVP award. Think about that.   So this checks out.

Personally, savor this.  This Celtics team are the reigning NBA champions and favorites to repeat this coming season.  Ownership has opened up their wallet and are spending to keep this team a title contender and managed to get almost the entire gang back together.

Fanbases would kill for this.  Enjoy this era now. They don't come around very often.  Whatever happens 2-3 years down the road happens but it should be really tough to get upset at the moment.

[Roy H.]

Grasping at straws to throw cold water on the team with no real solutions as to what they should do differently.

I mean, you're talking about the guy who immediately upon the Celtics winning the title, rather than celebrating the championship, threw a hissy fit over the Finals MVP award. Think about that.   So this checks out.

Personally, savor this.  This Celtics team are the reigning NBA champions and favorites to repeat this coming season.  Ownership has opened up their wallet and are spending to keep this team a title contender and managed to get almost the entire gang back together.

Fanbases would kill for this.  Enjoy this era now. They don't come around very often.  Whatever happens 2-3 years down the road happens but it should be really tough to get upset at the moment.

Seriously.  People are wringing their hands worrying about 2026.  Hopefully we'll be going for a 3peat by then, haha.  Be thankful that we're not the Florida Marlins, selling off the pieces of our title team before the confetti hit the street in the parade.

I get the sense (which could be completely wrong) that the next couple of seasons are Irv Grousbeck's parting gift to Wyc.  Wyc is going to lose the team against his will, but before doing that they're giving him a chance to really go for it.  They know that with a "crown jewel" team like the Celtics, a one year payroll spike isn't going to scare off buyers, so they're all in.