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Re: Ben simmons for...
« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2023, 06:05:45 PM »

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Hmmm....idk....Munchos are way under-rated

But, seriously, how far down the rotation do you need to go before u would consider a straight swap? Ignoring trade logistics and money.

Horford, maybe not
White, maybe
Brogdon, prolly not
Grant, prolly
it'd be a straight "not" on all 4 of them.  Kornet either.  probably not Blake nor PP.  only Yes that springs to mind is Jackson.

You know who it is lol.

Re: Ben simmons for...
« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2023, 06:08:05 PM »

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Something that I can’t understand is why Simmons gets so much universal hate.

He doesn’t flop, works his ass off on defence, crashes the boards and isn’t selfish on the ball.

From what I can gather, he seems very family oriented and I’m yet to see him get in trouble off the court.

I can only speak for myself in that as a person, I feel bad for him.  I think he has legitimate mental health issues.  He does appear to me to play hard.  To get where he is, I am sure he has worked hard off the court also.  I have no issue with any of that.  But until he solves his yips problem, I don't want him on the Celtics.  He is grossly overpaid for what he can produce on the court at the current time

The contrast is actually really stunning.  The way he can move on the court, handle the ball, he is as smooth and athletic and skilled as anyone in the NBA.  But then when he picks up the ball and tries to shoot, he has an absolute mental block and he looks like when a punter tries to throw a pass in the NFL.  It is sad really but until he solves it, his value as an NBA player will be extremely limited.

I get what you are saying, and you are correct that these are all people with real issues just like the rest of us. But his attitude, millionaire status dating models lifestyle coupled with his fashion shows on ig make it as hard for as possible to feel bad for the guy. Can’t someone just be a dope?

Re: Ben simmons for...
« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2023, 06:15:24 PM »

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Something that I can’t understand is why Simmons gets so much universal hate.

He doesn’t flop, works his ass off on defence, crashes the boards and isn’t selfish on the ball.

From what I can gather, he seems very family oriented and I’m yet to see him get in trouble off the court.

Because he's literally afraid to shoot, especially in a close game. No one respects cowardice.

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« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2023, 08:08:36 PM »

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Something that I can’t understand is why Simmons gets so much universal hate.

He doesn’t flop, works his ass off on defence, crashes the boards and isn’t selfish on the ball.

From what I can gather, he seems very family oriented and I’m yet to see him get in trouble off the court.

I can only speak for myself in that as a person, I feel bad for him.  I think he has legitimate mental health issues.  He does appear to me to play hard.  To get where he is, I am sure he has worked hard off the court also.  I have no issue with any of that.  But until he solves his yips problem, I don't want him on the Celtics.  He is grossly overpaid for what he can produce on the court at the current time

The contrast is actually really stunning.  The way he can move on the court, handle the ball, he is as smooth and athletic and skilled as anyone in the NBA.  But then when he picks up the ball and tries to shoot, he has an absolute mental block and he looks like when a punter tries to throw a pass in the NFL.  It is sad really but until he solves it, his value as an NBA player will be extremely limited.

I get what you are saying, and you are correct that these are all people with real issues just like the rest of us. But his attitude, millionaire status dating models lifestyle coupled with his fashion shows on ig make it as hard for as possible to feel bad for the guy. Can’t someone just be a dope?
He's definitely a dope.

Re: Ben simmons for...
« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2023, 08:28:30 PM »

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It’s a shame the guy is scared beyond reason to even look at the hoop.  Watching him pass up opportunity after opportunity would make my head explode so no, I don’t want him on the C’s.

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« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2023, 09:24:44 PM »

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There are other guys in the league that can only score at the rim, but now that he can’t hit a free throw he’s not even doing that much anymore.

Until he stops playing Pass-it-ball and starts playing basketball again I have no interest unless he making under $10M/yr

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« Reply #36 on: January 14, 2023, 12:44:40 AM »

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Truly baffles me anyone still wants him

Guy is a loser. Just wait until the Spring and playoffs, he'll probably get hurt or throw a tantrum at someone

Even with the Nets on a roll, I still think Kyrie and Simmons are gonna find a way to ruin it for them late in the year and during the playoffs.

Apparently he said he knows he needs to be more aggressive.

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It was a statistical oddity given that Simmons became just the 18th player in NBA history to register at least 13 assists and not score a point.

"Probably found them too much," Simmons offered in a postgame assessment of his game, noting he was looking to pass too often to his teammates instead of going to the basket. "Probably need to get my own, get myself going, which I didn't."

But he barely looked at the rim for his own shot and even drew some boos in the fourth quarter from the Barclays Center crowd when he turned the ball over on a pass instead of driving all the way to the rim. So how does he think he can get his rhythm back now, especially without the offensive safety net that Durant and his 29.7 points per game regularly provide?

"Being assertive, being aggressive and knowing that my team needs that," a reflective Simmons said. "I think I'm giving the ball up way too many times when I know who I am, I know I need to get to the rim, get buckets. And that's also going to help my teammates get them going."

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35436293/ben-simmons-nets-rare-stat-line-jacque-vaughn

Meanwhile, his coach (and teammates) have been twisting themselves into pretzels trying to explain how Simmons' being an offensive mushroom is not a negative for the team.

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"I always look at it as what does the possession render?" Vaughn said. "And so I think he got guys shots throughout the course of the night. My thing is going to be on the defensive end with Ben, the impact that he has to have without Kevin on the floor ... Ben's got to be able to protect the rim.

"Ben's got to be able to be a force for us on the defensive end of the floor, so that we can play small, play three guards out there, so we can have shooting around. So we got to be more up to having force on the defensive end of the floor, and hopefully we can make some shots, that will help."

As far as shots go, Simmons, who is averaging 7.7 points a game this season, is now 10-for-23 in January and just 1-for-13 from the free throw line during December and January. The spotlight is going to get even brighter without Durant for the next few weeks.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35436293/ben-simmons-nets-rare-stat-line-jacque-vaughn

I guess if you looked at him as an old style 4 that defends multiple positions and can push the ball up and rebound and pass, he's certainly adding some value...but at $35m? Overpay. Especially his horrible (1-13!!) clip from the free throw line means he can't be on the court in any close game in the 4th since he might get hacked. And because he's afraid to get hacked he won't take the ball into contact because he's afraid of airballing the ball from the free throw line and looking bad. He's a role player that can only fill specific niches.

I get what you are saying, and you are correct that these are all people with real issues just like the rest of us. But his attitude, millionaire status dating models lifestyle coupled with his fashion shows on ig make it as hard for as possible to feel bad for the guy. Can’t someone just be a dope?

I think a lot of us would feel more sorry for him if we got the sense that he was actually trying to fix his issues...but from the outside looking in, he seems to be a guy that likes the high life that comes with making $35m a year and being a famous basketballer, dating celebrities while he's actually progressively got worse and worse at his actual job every year, and doesn't seem to make an effort to improve - he always has a reason (excuse) for why he hasn't been able to learn how to shoot. Even guys like Aron Baynes couldn't hit the side of a barn door when they got into the league but they worked and got better. Ben has literally not got better. That's really where the dislike comes from - you don't get the sense he's putting in 100% effort to be the best player he can be, which runs counter to what a lot of us expect in our athletes. I have a friend from Australia and he can't stand Simmons, because he is (apparently) the antithesis of what being an Australian sportsman is all about - putting in the effort, bleeding for your country, etc.
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Re: Ben simmons for...
« Reply #37 on: January 14, 2023, 05:26:35 AM »

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Something that I can’t understand is why Simmons gets so much universal hate.

He doesn’t flop, works his ass off on defence, crashes the boards and isn’t selfish on the ball.

From what I can gather, he seems very family oriented and I’m yet to see him get in trouble off the court.

I can only speak for myself in that as a person, I feel bad for him.  I think he has legitimate mental health issues.  He does appear to me to play hard.  To get where he is, I am sure he has worked hard off the court also.  I have no issue with any of that.  But until he solves his yips problem, I don't want him on the Celtics.  He is grossly overpaid for what he can produce on the court at the current time

The contrast is actually really stunning.  The way he can move on the court, handle the ball, he is as smooth and athletic and skilled as anyone in the NBA.  But then when he picks up the ball and tries to shoot, he has an absolute mental block and he looks like when a punter tries to throw a pass in the NFL.  It is sad really but until he solves it, his value as an NBA player will be extremely limited.

I get what you are saying, and you are correct that these are all people with real issues just like the rest of us. But his attitude, millionaire status dating models lifestyle coupled with his fashion shows on ig make it as hard for as possible to feel bad for the guy. Can’t someone just be a dope?
He's definitely a dope.

It's certainly both - but I think people rag on him for having interests outside of basketball, which is silly.
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« Reply #38 on: January 14, 2023, 08:05:33 AM »

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He should grow a set and play center .   Or go play badminton,  he appears not to like contact at all.

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« Reply #39 on: January 14, 2023, 10:45:16 AM »

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He seems like a nice enough guy but I think a lot of people look at what he does have (the size, the athleticism, the talent) and then look at what he's done with it (no improvement in problem areas, regression in other areas) and it looks like a waste. Waste is frustrating to see.
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« Reply #40 on: January 14, 2023, 10:48:16 AM »

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He should grow a set and play center .   Or go play badminton,  he appears not to like contact at all.]/b]

No, he does not. Which is why I think people thinking that he could come here and play center Not You SHAQATTACK or go to the Lakers* or Clippers and play center are silly.

Sure, he’s tall enough and athletic enough to defend centers or be a small ball center. Playing center would put him closer to the basket on offense and still make good use of his passing ability, but he does hate contact and loves having the ball and being in control of the offense too much to ever do it. Fighting under the boards is not glamorous enough for him. He’ll do it as part of a rotation, but never for 82 games.

*In which case it would be great if he went to the Lakers to play center.

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« Reply #41 on: January 14, 2023, 12:06:33 PM »

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Wait until the playoffs again. Ben will be super valuable from the FT or when you need an open layup. KD and Kyrie’s heads will explode from anger.

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« Reply #42 on: January 14, 2023, 12:33:52 PM »

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He should grow a set and play center .   Or go play badminton,  he appears not to like contact at all.

I don't see contact as the issue.  His mental block is shooting.  If he avoids contact, it is because he doesn't want to be fouled and then have to actually shoot a free throw.

I do agree that he should be willing to play where ever the team can best use him.  If that is Center, play Center.  Not sure if he has been asked to do this and is unwilling, I just don't know.  But the shooting mental block is still going to be there, probably worse as there could be more opportunities to get fouled and then have to shoot free throws.

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« Reply #43 on: January 14, 2023, 12:36:04 PM »

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Wait until the playoffs again. Ben will be super valuable from the FT or when you need an open layup. KD and Kyrie’s heads will explode from anger.

If the C's advance and face BKN in the playoffs, they should just send their 3rd string guys for short periods to hack Simmons + Claxton. They'll probably go a combined like, 4-20 from the line  :laugh:
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« Reply #44 on: January 15, 2023, 06:18:06 PM »

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And just before tipoff, Ben Simmons ruled out with “back soreness”. Nets reporters have also been implying that Ben’s not 100% healthy and is dealing with some other injuries

It’s beginning folks!  :P
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