Camelo Anthony in Portland (combined threads)

[ederson]

He is playing much better against the Bucks tonight.  With about 6 minutes left he has played 22 minutes, shooting 5 of 11 overall and 3 of 4 from 3 for 15 points and has added 5 rebounds and 4 assists.

He passes the eye test if you look at the stat sheet, not if you look at the game.

This was back-to-back-to-back plays tonight.

Pass it to the wing, cut toward the ball, get in the way of his teammate, stall the offense.

Fail to get back all the way on defense, his man back cut him but missed the dunk

Pass to the wing, stood at the top of the key when the player overthrew the ball, watched as Bledsoe easily went in for a layup.

The fact of the matter is that the Blazers were in this game until they put Melo back in.

He was -1 in 29 minutes, they lost by 8, so they were -7 in the 19 minutes he was on the bench.  In other words, overall they were better when he was in the game then when he was on the bench a couple plays here or there not with standing.

Did you watch the game? If not it seems really strange to argue with a guy that did. I also think everyone knows plus minus for a single game is not really meaningful. Gary Trent jr has the best plus minuses for Portland. Illasova was +11, much better than Giannis +5 (despite Giannis having a triple double through 3). Can we vote to ban single game plus minus on this forum?

I don't like plus minus too but the biggest problem with Carmelo is his defense and we need to quantify it somehow. Throughout his carrier Carmelo scored a lot of points but his d assignment scored as many...

[Androslav]

I hear that Portland is opened to working Clyde Drexler out.
I can't blame them, you gotta take a chance on a Hall of Famer, as they did with Melo.

[Moranis]

He is playing much better against the Bucks tonight.  With about 6 minutes left he has played 22 minutes, shooting 5 of 11 overall and 3 of 4 from 3 for 15 points and has added 5 rebounds and 4 assists.

He passes the eye test if you look at the stat sheet, not if you look at the game.

This was back-to-back-to-back plays tonight.

Pass it to the wing, cut toward the ball, get in the way of his teammate, stall the offense.

Fail to get back all the way on defense, his man back cut him but missed the dunk

Pass to the wing, stood at the top of the key when the player overthrew the ball, watched as Bledsoe easily went in for a layup.

The fact of the matter is that the Blazers were in this game until they put Melo back in.

He was -1 in 29 minutes, they lost by 8, so they were -7 in the 19 minutes he was on the bench.  In other words, overall they were better when he was in the game then when he was on the bench a couple plays here or there not with standing.

Did you watch the game? If not it seems really strange to argue with a guy that did. I also think everyone knows plus minus for a single game is not really meaningful. Gary Trent jr has the best plus minuses for Portland. Illasova was +11, much better than Giannis +5 (despite Giannis having a triple double through 3). Can we vote to ban single game plus minus on this forum?

He had a pretty solid shooting night, was fairly active on the boards and racked up a decent amount of assists.  The argument was he was a net negative, despite the nice stats, and that the Blazers were in the game until Anthony was reinserted.  That is just a strange argument given the Blazers were better with Anthony in the game then when he was on the bench in that game. 

[Fafnir]

Say it with me folks, single game plus/minus is meaningless.

Single season +/- is barely relevant, it takes nearly two YEARS worth of minutes for it to be predictive folks.

[Fafnir]

Carmelo is his defense and we need to quantify it somehow.

Don't use single game plus/minus. You can be the worst team defender in the league and if the Bucks miss the 9/10 of the open threes you gave up due to shooting luck then your crap defense won't show up.

Single game +/- isn't indicative of individual play or predictive of future results.

[Fafnir]

He is playing much better against the Bucks tonight.  With about 6 minutes left he has played 22 minutes, shooting 5 of 11 overall and 3 of 4 from 3 for 15 points and has added 5 rebounds and 4 assists.

He passes the eye test if you look at the stat sheet, not if you look at the game.

This was back-to-back-to-back plays tonight.

Pass it to the wing, cut toward the ball, get in the way of his teammate, stall the offense.

Fail to get back all the way on defense, his man back cut him but missed the dunk

Pass to the wing, stood at the top of the key when the player overthrew the ball, watched as Bledsoe easily went in for a layup.

The fact of the matter is that the Blazers were in this game until they put Melo back in.

He waved off CJ and tried to iso against freaking Giannis!

You cannot be an offensive only PF in the league anymore and have just a 103 ORTG on the amount of usage he took up.

Portland other than Carmelo was scoring at over .600 TS%. His offense isn't worth the squeeze anymore.

[celticsclay]

Say it with me folks, single game plus/minus is meaningless.

Single season +/- is barely relevant, it takes nearly two YEARS worth of minutes for it to be predictive folks.

Thank you for the support on this. Amen I was really disappointed to see someone suggest it was somehow indicative of Carmelo’s value this game. I would vote to have it removed from box scores. It is so bad!

[Monkhouse]

He is playing much better against the Bucks tonight.  With about 6 minutes left he has played 22 minutes, shooting 5 of 11 overall and 3 of 4 from 3 for 15 points and has added 5 rebounds and 4 assists.

He passes the eye test if you look at the stat sheet, not if you look at the game.

This was back-to-back-to-back plays tonight.

Pass it to the wing, cut toward the ball, get in the way of his teammate, stall the offense.

Fail to get back all the way on defense, his man back cut him but missed the dunk

Pass to the wing, stood at the top of the key when the player overthrew the ball, watched as Bledsoe easily went in for a layup.

The fact of the matter is that the Blazers were in this game until they put Melo back in.

He waved off CJ and tried to iso against freaking Giannis!

You cannot be an offensive only PF in the league anymore and have just a 103 ORTG on the amount of usage he took up.

Portland other than Carmelo was scoring at over .600 TS%. His offense isn't worth the squeeze anymore.

That part baffled me...

Sure he did get past him, but if it wasn't getting blocked, Giannis probably would've side swiped it from behind.

[celticsclay]

Say it with me folks, single game plus/minus is meaningless.

Single season +/- is barely relevant, it takes nearly two YEARS worth of minutes for it to be predictive folks.

ONE MORE TIME FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK

[indeedproceed]

Say it with me folks, single game plus/minus is meaningless.

Single season +/- is barely relevant, it takes nearly two YEARS worth of minutes for it to be predictive folks.

What about when it validates our existing biases?

[fairweatherfan]

He is playing much better against the Bucks tonight.  With about 6 minutes left he has played 22 minutes, shooting 5 of 11 overall and 3 of 4 from 3 for 15 points and has added 5 rebounds and 4 assists.

He passes the eye test if you look at the stat sheet, not if you look at the game.

This was back-to-back-to-back plays tonight.

Pass it to the wing, cut toward the ball, get in the way of his teammate, stall the offense.

Fail to get back all the way on defense, his man back cut him but missed the dunk

Pass to the wing, stood at the top of the key when the player overthrew the ball, watched as Bledsoe easily went in for a layup.

The fact of the matter is that the Blazers were in this game until they put Melo back in.

He waved off CJ and tried to iso against freaking Giannis!

You cannot be an offensive only PF in the league anymore and have just a 103 ORTG on the amount of usage he took up.

Portland other than Carmelo was scoring at over .600 TS%. His offense isn't worth the squeeze anymore.

Iverson Syndrome. In his head he's still a 26 year old superstar. Like a middle-aged person still dressing like they're in high school and thinking they look cool.