Big no from me. I'd consider it without the Memphis pick though.
One player I'd like us to go after in a possible Hayward trade is Otto Porter. Shot 48.8% from three, 48.3% from the floor and 90.6% from the free throw line last season for the Bulls (albeit in just 15 games). As things stand right now, none of our starters likes to play off the ball on offense. Porter is the ideal off-ball player, hence I reckon he'd be a better fit than Hayward next to Kemba-Tatum-Brown and Kanter.
Absolutely positively no. I can't wait for the season to start for Hayward to shut people up. All of the trade ideas with him, Smart, Brown just have to stop. I like Adams but he's not worth his contract and I value Hayward way more then Adams. I really want to see what the C's have with this team. I don't really see the need to make any type of moves right now. Develop the young guys and build some chemistry. Use the picks next year to keep adding pieces.
Good luck trying to build some chemistry with 5 alpha males sharing the offensive load. Again, none of our starters likes to play off the ball on offense. That's a huge chemistry issue. It's even worse than last season, cause at least we had Horford who is a willing off-ball player.
Not saying Porter is a better player than Hayward. All I'm saying is, he'd be a better fit for us.
1) Jaylen is most definitely NOT a predominantly on-the-ball scorer. He scores a ton of his points on assisted plays and transition. His time-of-possession per touch, even on scoring plays, is minuscule. Jayson really isn't a high-possession-time player either. Kanter's only ball-possession play is on post-ups as a result of dumps. Otherwise, he's a put-back artist. So I'm not sure what 5 starters you are talking about that don't like to play off-the-ball. It's really just Kemba and Hayward who are needing to be on-the-ball a lot and that's likely to be a similar dynamic that you saw with Kyrie + Horford and Isaiah + Horford.
2) Porter is most definitely NOT a "better fit" than Hayward for us because of that last thing I pointed out. Porter is a fine player -- I think he's going to blossom now with higher usage and not being marginalized by Wall & Beal. But he's nowhere near the skilled playmaking 'glue' guy that Hayward is. Hayward is going to fill in the point-forward role on offense that Horford has played the last three seasons. Porter just isn't anywhere near as skilled as Hayward is for that role.
Great shooter, though. I do think Porter is very underrated as a scorer and was underutilized at WAS.
Oh come on now! Brown is a slasher and we use him most of the times as a weak side shooter. No wonder he can't reach his potential. I'd rather have Porter at the weak side and give Brown more opportunities to thrive as a slasher. That's what I'm saying.
Scoring on slashes and weak-side shooting is predominantly assisted-shot scoring. That's what I just said above.
Replacing Hayward -- who is very skilled at assisting a player like Jaylen (Gordon assisted more of Jaylen's shots than any other) with Porter, who is not anywhere near as skilled a playmaker, is not going to help Jaylen's scoring output.
Tatum is predominantly an ISO scorer. He's the epitome of a wing player who wants the ball in his hands on offense.
Kanter's only ball-possession play is on post-ups
Yeah, but that's basically all he does on offense, aside from putbacks. He's constantly asking for the ball at the low post.
It's the job of any low-post big on most plays to call for the ball once he has position. That doesn't mean he gets it on every play. And when he does, those plays literally take just a few seconds to execute. You are talking about just a few plays totalling a couple dozen seconds out of a game of "ball handling" by the big fella.
And no, that's not really "all he does on offense". Kanter is a good P&R big and as already noted, an elite put-back specialist.
The important point is still that neither he, nor either of the Jays, is especially 'ball dominant' on offense. Those three guys are mainly 'finishers'.
What matters is what you project a player's value will be this coming year.
1. Not a sure thing by any means that Hayward is gonna find his past form.
2. You just wrote that Porter ''is very underrated'' and that ''he's going to blossom now with higher usage not being marginalized by Wall & Beal''. To some extent, you could make the same argument (regarding projected value) about Porter as well.
Porter will likely blossom _as a scorer_ with higher USG. But he, at this point in his career (and possibly never) just is not remotely close to Hayward's level of skill as a _playmaker_. He just has never shown to have anywhere near the same level of ball-handling and passing skills. Porter is a finisher, not a playmaker.
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