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Celtics Talk / Re: Zion Williamson, hear me out!
« Last post by Vermont Green on Yesterday at 02:34:39 PM »
Quote from: aefgogreen on Yesterday at 02:23:18 PM
Quote from: Moranis on Yesterday at 01:47:20 PM
I wouldn't trade the 26 pick, but any other is fine. And I'd do that easily without a 2nd thought.  Zion is less healthy than Embiid, but when he plays he is REALLY REALLY good.  Efficient skilled, and everything you'd want a PF to be (well not everything, as he is a poor defender).  He is the right kind of gamble to take.

Just curious, why do you want to hold onto the 2026 pick?

I am assuming that with Tatum out, this pick is expected to be much better than would be expected for a pick in 2027 and beyond.
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Celtics Talk / Re: Shams: C's Sign Boucher/Niang & two future 2nd rounders to Utah for RJ Luis Jr.
« Last post by Vermont Green on Yesterday at 02:31:41 PM »
Coaches are not the primary reason that basketball teams do well or not, win titles or not; they affect winning, but not as much as the players do, including the health of the players.  But I feel that if you coach a team to a title, that does mean something.  Not the end all, maybe more of a floor.

I generally give Mazzulla a pass on the meltdown in 2022-23.  I think that was about a lot more than good or bad coaching.  But Mazzulla has to own the good of 2023-24 and the bad of 2024-25.  I still believe that winning or not is more about the players than the coach, but the coach does not get a pass when a team underperforms.

2025-26 is now a lost season that will have no bearing on how good of a coach Mazzulla is.  But 2026-27 and beyond, the team needs to perform.  I am fine with giving him that much leash based on the title.  The extension doesn't really mean much.  He will still be fired if the team doesn't perform.  No luxury tax or other penalties associated with that salary.
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Celtics Talk / Re: Zion Williamson, hear me out!
« Last post by aefgogreen on Yesterday at 02:23:18 PM »
Quote from: Moranis on Yesterday at 01:47:20 PM
I wouldn't trade the 26 pick, but any other is fine. And I'd do that easily without a 2nd thought.  Zion is less healthy than Embiid, but when he plays he is REALLY REALLY good.  Efficient skilled, and everything you'd want a PF to be (well not everything, as he is a poor defender).  He is the right kind of gamble to take.

Just curious, why do you want to hold onto the 2026 pick?
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Celtics Talk / Re: Zion Williamson, hear me out!
« Last post by Moranis on Yesterday at 01:47:20 PM »
I wouldn't trade the 26 pick, but any other is fine. And I'd do that easily without a 2nd thought.  Zion is less healthy than Embiid, but when he plays he is REALLY REALLY good.  Efficient skilled, and everything you'd want a PF to be (well not everything, as he is a poor defender).  He is the right kind of gamble to take.
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Celtics Talk / Re: Shams: C's Sign Boucher/Niang & two future 2nd rounders to Utah for RJ Luis Jr.
« Last post by Neurotic Guy on Yesterday at 12:52:33 PM »
Quote from: boscel33 on Yesterday at 09:07:54 AM
Quote from: tenn_smoothie on September 16, 2025, 10:52:09 PM
I like what Brad is doing with the roster. It makes no sense to be competitive for a top-6 seed and then first or second round exit. All these moves are about resetting for a second title window. Sure would like to see this group get at least that second banner that fortune stole from the Kevin Garnett Celtics. The only move I have a problem with ....... and it is a huge problem, is extending Mazzulla. When Tatum returns with a rebuilt roster, we need a competent coach. Spin that title all you want, but I watched a microcosm of what is wrong with Mazzulla in Games 1 & 2 during the Knicks series this past season. A terribly flawed offense and a stubborn mind.

IMO, he's just another Doc Rivers.  Doc won a title in Boston, beside himself.  He really couldn't not win it and that's what I feel Joe is.  That said, unless there is a replacement that jumps out, then stay the course.  I here that all of the time, you want to fire someone, but who are you replacing him with.

The only reason I have for being ok with Joe is that Brad seems to like him. 
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Celtics Talk / Re: Zion Williamson, hear me out!
« Last post by Vermont Green on Yesterday at 12:50:42 PM »
If it takes 3 firsts to start the conversation, then I am definitely out.  If the conversation starts with Simons, Hauser, and Tillman, then I am in.  There are huge risks with him.  Only 30 games last season.  Career average is only 43 games per season.  If I was NOP, I would be pretty open to cutting my losses on him, building around the next generation of young players they have been drafting.  I am not sure how good of a deal that NOP could get.  I am not sure then can do way better than this.

If they can get some good play out of him between the start of the season and the trade deadline, it would increase his value pretty quickly.  But that is a risk for them too.  He could get hurt again and his value would drop to nothing.  A change of scenery after a humbling trade might be good for Zion, you just don't know.  His contract is not that bad if he plays even close to his potential.
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Celtics Talk / Re: Zion Williamson, hear me out!
« Last post by Csfan1984 on Yesterday at 12:31:40 PM »
Think cost is main issue, three first is just starting a conversation.
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Movies / Re: What's the Last Movie You Watched?
« Last post by Redz on Yesterday at 12:29:32 PM »
Spinal Tap 2 was way better than I thought it would be.  I think they did a smart thing taking a sentimental approach.  Plenty of laughs.  Some excellent cameos too. I really love Rob Reiner.
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Movies / Re: What's the Last Movie You Watched?
« Last post by Redz on Yesterday at 12:28:21 PM »
Quote from: Roy H. on September 16, 2025, 10:36:03 PM
Quote from: perks-a-beast on September 11, 2025, 10:06:52 PM
The Long Walk

It?s the second Stephen King adaptation Ive enjoyed this year - the other being ?The Life Of Chuck.?

Fairly predictable, but still very engaging. Definitely worth checking out.

I saw it, too.  They changed a few things from the book, but it got the message across.

I saw it last night.  It was a little hokey, but they did a good enough job with the concept.  I had no idea the Sargent guy was Mark Hamil!
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Celtics Talk / Re: Zion Williamson, hear me out!
« Last post by greg683x on Yesterday at 12:09:42 PM »
I?ll pass.

Injury prone players are always healthy at the least important times.  Of course he?d be healthy during a throw away season and promptly tear his acl right when we?re all in on a title run the following year.

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