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Something along these lines.

No longer allowing a team to draft in the top four two years in a row.

so bad teams never get better and end up like the Kings forever. 

The best solution is if the league thinks a team is tanking is to fine the ever loving he'll out of them for conduct detrimental to the sport. You start hitting the owners pocketbook and they will listen.  Only thing they will listen to honestly.
and the problem with badly managed teams like the Kings staying bad is what?  They've been bad for about 20 years regardless of how many cracks at the lottery they've had.  They've gotten good players in the draft and none of them are left on the team because they've been dealt away.  that's on their mismanagement.  why should the league coddle incompetence?

Exactly. That?s a management issue.
No, the Kings are a mostly mid lottery team.  Rarely bad enough to get a top tier pick, so they never get the talent to move out of no man's land.  That is the perfect example of what will happen to bad teams that are restricted from actually getting the talent needed to not be bad.  Now sure they've also been poorly managed and took Bagley instead of Doncic the one time they've had a top 3 pick since 1991 (when they had the 4th pick recently they took Murray which is actually a solid pick, he just isnt good enough of a player to move the needle).  But poorly managed isnt tanking.  If the goal is to end tanking then that isnt the right type of team to look at.
the Kings were the example you used, not me.  provide an example of a team you think IS the right type to look at.  you like moving the goalposts every time there's pushback on your ideas. 

you can point to any team in this league and they'll either be blatant tankers who've had multiple shots at top draft picks and either done poorly or well or the 'mid-lottery' teams that can have the same things said about them. 

bottom line, restrict the number of consecutive attempts at the brass ring.  if a team sucks in a year where the top player is a Kenyon Martin/Michael Olowakandi/etc...  so be it.  if they suck and the top player is Lebron, so be it. 

Take a look at your prized team Philly.  Look at how many cracks they've had at top players during their 'Process'.  you can sit there and bemoan "oh, the talent isn't as good as when they're weren't in the Process" which is total crap.  They had a rookie of the year in MCW (a very weak rookie class that year) who they traded to get worse.  they end up in drafts getting Ben Simmons (considered a generational talent but passing on Jaylen Brown and Brandon Ingram), Joel Embiid falling into their laps but taking Elfrid Payton in that same draft (while passing on Jokic, Mcdermott, Saric, Lavine, Nurkic, Capela and several other better players), Jahlil Okafor (while passing on Porzingis, Myles Turner and Devin Booker to name a few), Markelle Fultz (while passing on Ball and Jayson Tatum), Mikal Bridges (eventually traded and passing on SGA).

That's just several of their drafts.  again, no sympathy if they were barred from making high picks every other year or every 2 years.  hell, it might improve their drafting based on how they picked and how much talent was still on the board.

no sympathy for teams that want to rely on tanking for high draft picks getting blocked from an every-year shot at it.
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Celtics Talk / Re: Celtics 2025-26 Regular Season Discussion
« Last post by keevsnick on Yesterday at 01:19:06 PM »
Up to and including the Minnesota game on 11/29 Jaylen Brown has averaged 6.3 FTA's per game. He then vocally complained about his whistle after the game. Since then he has average 10.6 FTA's per game.

The moral of the story is complaining works.
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Something along these lines.

No longer allowing a team to draft in the top four two years in a row.

so bad teams never get better and end up like the Kings forever. 

The best solution is if the league thinks a team is tanking is to fine the ever loving he'll out of them for conduct detrimental to the sport. You start hitting the owners pocketbook and they will listen.  Only thing they will listen to honestly.
and the problem with badly managed teams like the Kings staying bad is what?  They've been bad for about 20 years regardless of how many cracks at the lottery they've had.  They've gotten good players in the draft and none of them are left on the team because they've been dealt away.  that's on their mismanagement.  why should the league coddle incompetence?

Exactly. That?s a management issue.
No, the Kings are a mostly mid lottery team.  Rarely bad enough to get a top tier pick, so they never get the talent to move out of no man's land.  That is the perfect example of what will happen to bad teams that are restricted from actually getting the talent needed to not be bad.  Now sure they've also been poorly managed and took Bagley instead of Doncic the one time they've had a top 3 pick since 1991 (when they had the 4th pick recently they took Murray which is actually a solid pick, he just isnt good enough of a player to move the needle).  But poorly managed isnt tanking.  If the goal is to end tanking then that isnt the right type of team to look at.

The kings have had plenty of top picks and they miss 80% of the time. That?s on management.

2022: #4 overall (K. Murray)

2021: #9 overall (Mitchell)

2018: #2 overall (Bagley)

2017: #5 overall (Fox)

2015: #6 overall (Cauley-Stein)

2014: #8 overall (Staukas)

2013:  #7 overall (McLemore)

2012: #5 Overall (Thomas Robinson)

2010 #5 overall (Cousins)

2009 #4overall (Tyreek Evans)
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I do find the "can't pick top 4 two years in a row" thing sort of interesting, since it would actually do very little to fix anything THIS YEAR. The top 4 picks last year were....

Dallas (Injured, but not really tanking).
Spurs (Not Tanking)
76ers (Not Tanking)
Hornets (Sort of tanking, but not the worst).

So in other words this rule would do nothing to stop the tanking from teams like Washington, Brooklyn, Ind ect. 

I also very much islike the "can't pick top 4 two years in a row." So what happens if you get the #1 pick in a draft with..... let's say Zachary Risacher as the #1 pick. You just can't get Cooper Flagg next year? How is that fair, it makes the year you happen to be bad in too important. I'd be fine with "can't pick top 4 THREE years in a row" or "can't pick #1 two years in a row."
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The Draft / Re: NBA Teams Looking Into New Ways To Prevent Teams From Tanking
« Last post by Moranis on Yesterday at 11:20:37 AM »
Something along these lines.

No longer allowing a team to draft in the top four two years in a row.

so bad teams never get better and end up like the Kings forever. 

The best solution is if the league thinks a team is tanking is to fine the ever loving he'll out of them for conduct detrimental to the sport. You start hitting the owners pocketbook and they will listen.  Only thing they will listen to honestly.
and the problem with badly managed teams like the Kings staying bad is what?  They've been bad for about 20 years regardless of how many cracks at the lottery they've had.  They've gotten good players in the draft and none of them are left on the team because they've been dealt away.  that's on their mismanagement.  why should the league coddle incompetence?

Exactly. That?s a management issue.
No, the Kings are a mostly mid lottery team.  Rarely bad enough to get a top tier pick, so they never get the talent to move out of no man's land.  That is the perfect example of what will happen to bad teams that are restricted from actually getting the talent needed to not be bad.  Now sure they've also been poorly managed and took Bagley instead of Doncic the one time they've had a top 3 pick since 1991 (when they had the 4th pick recently they took Murray which is actually a solid pick, he just isnt good enough of a player to move the needle).  But poorly managed isnt tanking.  If the goal is to end tanking then that isnt the right type of team to look at.
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Celtics Talk / Re: Celtics 2025-26 Regular Season Discussion
« Last post by DefenseWinsChamps on Yesterday at 10:59:29 AM »
It sure seems like Mazz has recreated Jrue Holiday in the aggregate with a combination of Walsh and Hugo (total 11 ppg, 8 rpg, 2 apg, 2 spg, 1 bpg with all-defensive team play).

Queta is a different big than Zinger, Kornet, and Al. He's better than Kornet as a rim runner, and has been a pretty effective defensive player (even in the face of the officiating changes that have given offenses a significant advantage).

I was hopeful that Garza and Tillman would be able to recreate some of the floor spacing that Zinger and Al gave us, but we can't win them all.

Overall, I think Stevens has once again shown that he knows how to build out an effective team, and Mazz has once again shown that he can develop effective role players.

This bodes well for extending our contention window. We still have the Brown-Tatum-White core for the next 4-5 years, and if Mazz and Stevens can continue to work their magic ...
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Around the NBA / Re: NBA Season 2025-26
« Last post by Goldstar88 on Yesterday at 09:45:02 AM »
Spurs beat the Thunder again. 130-110. Wemby only played 23 minutes.

Even without Wemby I feel like they match up to OKC pretty well, they have lots of guards and wings they can throw at Shai and they can go two-big with Luke and Wemby to counter Holmgren and Hartenstein. But OKC must have started thinking about Christmas pudding in the 2nd half, they let the Spurs shoot 65% from the floor, and a lot more volume from 3. Everyone hates 3s but if you make a lot more of them than the other team, even if you take a lot more, you're probably going to win.

Completely agree. If Wemby is fully healthy come playoff time, they are going to be a real problem.
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Something along these lines.

No longer allowing a team to draft in the top four two years in a row.

so bad teams never get better and end up like the Kings forever. 

The best solution is if the league thinks a team is tanking is to fine the ever loving he'll out of them for conduct detrimental to the sport. You start hitting the owners pocketbook and they will listen.  Only thing they will listen to honestly.
and the problem with badly managed teams like the Kings staying bad is what?  They've been bad for about 20 years regardless of how many cracks at the lottery they've had.  They've gotten good players in the draft and none of them are left on the team because they've been dealt away.  that's on their mismanagement.  why should the league coddle incompetence?

Exactly. That?s a management issue.
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Celtics Talk / Re: I Think I Am Aboard The Tank Train Now
« Last post by tonydelk on Yesterday at 09:38:40 AM »
I especially love how Quetta is crapping on the 'worst front court in the NBA' talk that was so rife at the start of the season.
he's certainly been much better than we could have reasonably hoped for but let's be honest, it's still the worst frontcourt in the NBA.  Garza's been good the last couple of games but he's still not a good defender or defensive rebounder or rim protector.  Boucher and Tillman are basically unplayable.

Agree.  Outside of Queta the C's front court is not very good.  It's the position they need to upgrade drastically.  Especially now that it seems like Tatum could be back in March and the C's will make the playoffs.  They need another Queta level player or better to hang in the playoffs.  I still want them to trade for Day'Ron Sharpe from the nets.  Signed for this year and next, only 24, cheap contract and won't be in the Nets plans. 
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Something along these lines.

No longer allowing a team to draft in the top four two years in a row.

so bad teams never get better and end up like the Kings forever. 

The best solution is if the league thinks a team is tanking is to fine the ever loving he'll out of them for conduct detrimental to the sport. You start hitting the owners pocketbook and they will listen.  Only thing they will listen to honestly.
and the problem with badly managed teams like the Kings staying bad is what?  They've been bad for about 20 years regardless of how many cracks at the lottery they've had.  They've gotten good players in the draft and none of them are left on the team because they've been dealt away.  that's on their mismanagement.  why should the league coddle incompetence?
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