Salary Cap/Roster Construction Question

[nyceltsfan]

Perhaps someone on this board can help me understand the situation.  If Kyrie and Horford both decide to opt out and seek greener pastures on other teams, can we afford 2 max players (or even one max free agent)?

I know he never expressed interest in coming here, but would it be possible to get someone like Kawhi and pair him with Klay Thompson?  We can then go after a lower salary pass first PG, like Rondo or DJ Augustin and we would need to get some size on the roster.  If Tristan Thompson for Hayward were a possibility, that could work out well:

Rondo
K. Thompson
Kawhi
Tatum
T. Thompson

Smart
Brown
Ojeleye
2 vet min/mid-level exception bigs

[Somebody]

I'd rather not play Tatum at PF unless he gets on the Giannis programme this offseason.

[BMark]

Here is the Basketball Reference link regarding the Celtics salaries:

www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/BOS.html

[BMark]

Would another team give Horford a multi-year contract with enough incentive to give up 30 million next year? Seems unlikely

[gouki88]

I think our guaranteed salary next season is $65m, or thereabouts.
That being:
Gordon Hayward - $32,700,690
Marcus Smart - $12,553,571
Jayson Tatum - $7,830,000
Jaylen Brown - $6,534,829
Yabu - $3,117,240
Robert Williams - $1,937,520

I'm no cap expert, but I'm not sure if we could offer a max guy what they want. We definitely couldn't get 2.

If that happens we could probably target a Middleton type player, maybe.

[Triplenickle]

I'd rather not play Tatum at PF unless he gets on the Giannis programme this offseason.

Tatum is not a power forward and will never be.

This is the kind of thing that makes Brad such an inept lunatic of a coach. He doesn't even understand the pro game or it's nuances but has the audacity to think he's gonna redefine the entire league with "positionless 3 shooting small ball" while he's getting humiliated the entire year with that nonsense and STILL see nothing worth adjusting.

Please...someone get that man outta here quickly.  Atleast Pitino's philosphy made sense.

Paul, who was a strong 6'7 and able to mix it up with bigs from time to time and even get timely rebounds WAS NEVER ABLE TO EITHER...unless you wanna bleed there

Hell Morris shouldn't even be there, but his lack of quickness dictates he HAS too. And they bleed there with him too.

The entire team bleeds under Brad.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

I think our guaranteed salary next season is $65m, or thereabouts.
That being:
Gordon Hayward - $32,700,690
Marcus Smart - $12,553,571
Jayson Tatum - $7,830,000
Jaylen Brown - $6,534,829
Yabu - $3,117,240
Robert Williams - $1,937,520

I'm no cap expert, but I'm not sure if we could offer a max guy what they want. We definitely couldn't get 2.

If that happens we could probably target a Middleton type player, maybe.

Go ahead and add Al in there as well. There are a few things y’all have to understand, 1 is that most teams in the NBA do not have cap space. Al will not forfeit 30mil, that’s way too much money as his alternative would be to take a massive pay cut and he’s to old for that.

With that being said no.. the Celtics cannot sign a max contract even by moving Hayward. Secondly No team who has cap space would waste it on Hayward right now when there are soooo many better options in FA

Now are the Celtics stuck with Hayward? I don’t think so, there are some teams who are stuck with worse contracts and would love to take on Hayward for the POTENTIAL as long as the Celtics are giving up assets for it to happen.

[Green-18]

I think our guaranteed salary next season is $65m, or thereabouts.
That being:
Gordon Hayward - $32,700,690
Marcus Smart - $12,553,571
Jayson Tatum - $7,830,000
Jaylen Brown - $6,534,829
Yabu - $3,117,240
Robert Williams - $1,937,520

I'm no cap expert, but I'm not sure if we could offer a max guy what they want. We definitely couldn't get 2.

If that happens we could probably target a Middleton type player, maybe.

Go ahead and add Al in there as well. There are a few things y’all have to understand, 1 is that most teams in the NBA do not have cap space. Al will not forfeit 30mil, that’s way too much money as his alternative would be to take a massive pay cut and he’s to old for that.

With that being said no.. the Celtics cannot sign a max contract even by moving Hayward. Secondly No team who has cap space would waste it on Hayward right now when there are soooo many better options in FA

Now are the Celtics stuck with Hayward? I don’t think so, there are some teams who are stuck with worse contracts and would love to take on Hayward for the POTENTIAL as long as the Celtics are giving up assets for it to happen.

I wouldn't be shocked to see Horford restructure for a hometown discount.  It obviously depends on whether or not Danny has a plan that's worth it.  The salary cap is projected to jump to $109 million after this season.  Danny would have significantly more trade flexibility if Horford restructured an extension in the ballpark of $20 million per year.  Al has made over $150 million in his career.  I think he's prepared to sacrifice some money if it makes the Celtics a threat to win the East. 

[nyceltsfan]

I guess my point was how can we reconstruct the roster without going into full "blow it up" mode.  If we could somehow convert KI and AH into Klay Thompson and a wing or a big, does that put us in a better situation?

I think the two things the Celtics were missing (besides grit and heart) , were another inside presence and a knockdown shooter.  I like the idea of Redick and I love the idea of somehow, some way, enticing Klay Thompson to come here.  I think he likes being in a winning environment and would fit perfectly in Brad Stevens' system.

[keevsnick]

Would another team give Horford a multi-year contract with enough incentive to give up 30 million next year? Seems unlikely

I think there are a lot of teams that would come close, given how much money there is out there, his perfect fit in just about any situation, and how many teams will miss out on the top guys.

[Monkhouse]

I guess my point was how can we reconstruct the roster without going into full "blow it up" mode.  If we could somehow convert KI and AH into Klay Thompson and a wing or a big, does that put us in a better situation?

I think the two things the Celtics were missing (besides grit and heart) , were another inside presence and a knockdown shooter.  I like the idea of Redick and I love the idea of somehow, some way, enticing Klay Thompson to come here.  I think he likes being in a winning environment and would fit perfectly in Brad Stevens' system.

Yeah he's in the best perfect environment.

It's called the Golden State Warriors.

Kawhi/Klay chances of coming here are extremely unlikely. I cannot fathom Klay coming to BOS, and Kawhi seems LA bound. He may stay in Toronto, who knows?

I've been tooting the Kyrie, AD, and PG-13 bandwagon, and I think it could possibly happen, given the interest that Ainge has had on all 3 in the past few years.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

I think our guaranteed salary next season is $65m, or thereabouts.
That being:
Gordon Hayward - $32,700,690
Marcus Smart - $12,553,571
Jayson Tatum - $7,830,000
Jaylen Brown - $6,534,829
Yabu - $3,117,240
Robert Williams - $1,937,520

I'm no cap expert, but I'm not sure if we could offer a max guy what they want. We definitely couldn't get 2.

If that happens we could probably target a Middleton type player, maybe.

Go ahead and add Al in there as well. There are a few things y’all have to understand, 1 is that most teams in the NBA do not have cap space. Al will not forfeit 30mil, that’s way too much money as his alternative would be to take a massive pay cut and he’s to old for that.

With that being said no.. the Celtics cannot sign a max contract even by moving Hayward. Secondly No team who has cap space would waste it on Hayward right now when there are soooo many better options in FA

Now are the Celtics stuck with Hayward? I don’t think so, there are some teams who are stuck with worse contracts and would love to take on Hayward for the POTENTIAL as long as the Celtics are giving up assets for it to happen.

I wouldn't be shocked to see Horford restructure for a hometown discount.  It obviously depends on whether or not Danny has a plan that's worth it.  The salary cap is projected to jump to $109 million after this season.  Danny would have significantly more trade flexibility if Horford restructured an extension in the ballpark of $20 million per year.  Al has made over $150 million in his career.  I think he's prepared to sacrifice some money if it makes the Celtics a threat to win the East.

Possibly, But I can’t see him giving up 30m when they already have a stacked team. He only wild have 1 year left and Celtics aren’t chasing any free agents this upcoming free agency so there would kind of be no point in him doing that unless he’s afraid of injury. Either way Al is here to stay at least for this year you can book that.

[Irish Stew]

I think our guaranteed salary next season is $65m, or thereabouts.
That being:
Gordon Hayward - $32,700,690
Marcus Smart - $12,553,571
Jayson Tatum - $7,830,000
Jaylen Brown - $6,534,829
Yabu - $3,117,240
Robert Williams - $1,937,520

I'm no cap expert, but I'm not sure if we could offer a max guy what they want. We definitely couldn't get 2.

If that happens we could probably target a Middleton type player, maybe.

 

We have no control over whether the Irving, Horford, or Baynes contracts are part of our salary guarantees. That's another $57 million. It's strictly up to the players.

[bdm860]

I think our guaranteed salary next season is $65m, or thereabouts.
That being:
Gordon Hayward - $32,700,690
Marcus Smart - $12,553,571
Jayson Tatum - $7,830,000
Jaylen Brown - $6,534,829
Yabu - $3,117,240
Robert Williams - $1,937,520

I'm no cap expert, but I'm not sure if we could offer a max guy what they want. We definitely couldn't get 2.

If that happens we could probably target a Middleton type player, maybe.

Go ahead and add Al in there as well. There are a few things y’all have to understand, 1 is that most teams in the NBA do not have cap space. Al will not forfeit 30mil, that’s way too much money as his alternative would be to take a massive pay cut and he’s to old for that.

There's projected to be a ton of cap space this year.

14 teams in the league could have over $30m in cap space this summer, 20 teams could have over $20m.  Although those aren't projected numbers, for projected numbers, depending on your source, about 8-9 teams will have over $30m in cap space, and 2-3 more will have have over $20m.

Here's a couple of sources from a quick google search:
https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-free-agency/2019/5/7/18531323/projecting-2019-salary-cap-space-for-all-30-nba-teams
https://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/253464/The-Maximum-Available-2019-Cap-Space-for-All-30-NBA-Teams-Version-20

And once 1 domino falls wrong, anything can happen.  Golden State for example is not expected to have cap space even with Durant leaving, but if Klay signs elsewhere too, suddenly they can give Horford $60m/3yrs. 

Or one of those big market teams that whiff on Durant uses that money to sign Khris Middleton, suddenly Milwaukee has a ton of room to play with and can offer Al a big contract.

Or one of those big market teams with room for 2 big contracts (or has LeBron) could sign Horford to compliment their star.  Kawhi and Horford to the Clippers. Durant and Horford to the Knicks.  LeBron and Horford on the Lakers?

Or a team with cap room but not a huge free agent destination (like IND, SAC, DAL, UTA) could throw a big short(er) term deal at Al to try to get their teams over the hump (DAL and SAC into the playoffs, IND and UTA to at least the conference finals), kind of like JJ Redick in Philly or Millsap in Denver.  Or Brooklyn whiffs but still thinks Horford can get them over the hump.

These are all things that could happen.  There could be a ton of opportunities for Horford.