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Re: Celtics (1-3) at Bucks (3-1) Round 2 Game 5 5/8/19
« Reply #720 on: May 09, 2019, 05:56:56 AM »

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I think Smart, Hayward and Horford will be back next season. With everyone else, it will be very fluid.

I think Brown could be back as well.   He adapted to his role and showed some effort last night when others did not.

Re: Celtics (1-3) at Bucks (3-1) Round 2 Game 5 5/8/19
« Reply #721 on: May 09, 2019, 06:21:19 AM »

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Well, Horford sounds like he wants to come back, but I think his comment about the steps the team will make to improve is telling. Seems like everyone is expecting the big AD move this summer.

I think Smart, Hayward and Horford will be back next season. With everyone else, it will be very fluid.

I wouldnt be sold on Hayward returning.

He inadvertently caused alot of issues with the team.

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Re: Celtics (1-3) at Bucks (3-1) Round 2 Game 5 5/8/19
« Reply #722 on: May 09, 2019, 06:24:03 AM »

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Bud literally outcoached Steven's so badly, it's like he did it with his eyes closed.
More like the bucks are much better.  But okay.

Stevens roster management was exposed this year. These guys walked all over him.
Or they wer never that good and never fit properly.

They only didn't fit properly due to p--- poor talent management and coaching. The stylistic fit is there and capable of working; it's the personality and character fit that was suspect, which is something that can be managed by effective coaching and leadership. Brad Stevens single greatest mistake is not defining the roles early on, which has just allowed the chemistry issues to fester and exacerbate all season long.
Show me the complementary players that know their role.  Show me the specialist that can really really shoot.  The fit of these players is awful.

THEY DON'T KNOW THEIR ROLE BECAUSE THE COACH NEVER DEFINED THEM EARLY ON! That's the entire problem, and that's why you had the young/old dichotomy in the locker room early on.

The level of talent is absolutely there, and while not an absolutely perfect fit, their talents are complementary enough to work well together. The talent has just been completely mismanaged and in a p--- poor offensive philosophy, which has served as a barrier to these guys meshing.
Buddy, the coach doesnít define their roles.  The players given their skillset do.  Great teams happen organically.

Lol that's why Giannis and the Bucks were so good last year with Kidd and Prundy. Just a coincidence that a coach of the year comes in and they maximize the talent they have and become the best team in the NBA.  ::)

To be fair, adding Lopez and a few other players certainly didn't hurt, but the biggest difference in that team is much better coaching and leadership and a much better offensive philosophy.
My point is simple; there was a Grand Canyon type gap between these two teams.  Thatís no coaching.

As for kid, Iím not saying there arenít some terrible coaches out there. Just that Brad isnít one of them. And giannis was half the player he is now when Kidd was there.  Heís now among the best in the world.  So itís certainly not coaching thatís making them great.

But my original point stands.  If the coach has to tell the players their role, weíre in trouble.

How does the coach not tell guys what's expected out of them? That's literally his job. He's there to put his guys in a position to succeed.  You think any good coach would have let his guys go down time aftef time and launch a 3 after 1 FREAKING PASS?

I do not get the love affair with this coach. We make the ECF despite having a few injuries and he's red reincarnate. Ever elimination game for the last 3 years has played out the same. They play poor defense and every single clown on this team thinks they're in the 3pt competition. Meanwhile our coach just stands there like a kid not wanting to eat his veggies. GOOD COACHES don't allow their team to play so unorganized.

It absolutely should not have taken until game 5 for this guy to get animated about giannis taking a world tour in the paint either.

He's not a good coach. Maybe a few more playoff exits will finally get people to figure this out.
But those are just words.  So what!  And you think he didnít ever do that?  Are words going to help Tatum become a spot up shooter?  Not his game.  Are words going to turn jaylen into reddick type shooter?  No. 

You can have the best ingredients in the world but if theyíre the wrong ones, it doesnít matter.  I love peanut butter, steak, and mayo.  But Iím not going to put them together.

Like I said, the players

Words? How about scheme? How about preaching ball movement, moving without the ball and rotating on defense?

If the talent is not there than you must thing Danny should be fired no?
I mean, answer honestly.  Is kyrie a ball movement guy?  Not in his dna.  Is Tatum a ball movement guy?  Not in his dna.  Is brown a ball movement guy?  Nope.  Is Morris a ball movement guy?  Nope.  Is rozier a ball movement guy?  Laughable. 

Make sense?  Itís more about mixing the right players together because most of them a programmed a certain way by now.  Words and scheme wonít change that.

Is Kyrie a ball-movment guy ?  Absolutely No


Are Brown and Tatum ? Absolutely Yes, their respective games were destroyed by the on-court influence of Irving. Did you not watch last season or this season when Irving was a DNP - both guys were integral parts of a ball-popping offense.

Are Morris and Rozier ? Yes, they too were heavily impacted by the team conflicts  and they are not as sure bets for being offense by the pass and cut as the others.


There has been no difference in tatums offensive opportunity from last year to this year.

None.

Same usages, same shots, similar % of shots assisted on.

Tatum played worse defense, took worse shots, and shot worse. Tatum kobe-ashied himself.....

People seem to forget that Irving was a part of the 16-2 start to last season and was a major part on 3/4 of the seasons success.
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Re: Celtics (1-3) at Bucks (3-1) Round 2 Game 5 5/8/19
« Reply #723 on: May 09, 2019, 06:29:37 AM »

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People wamt to talk about what the difference was between this and last season.

Team only had 1 single thing different.


Hayward.



People want to point at kyrie being the difference in success last season and this season. But guess what.

Kyrie played 67 games this year
Kyrie played 60 games last year.

Last season team went 9-6 without kyrie to close out the season with over half of those games coming against absolute tomato cans.

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G-Hill, Bledsoe, Matthews, Snell, DiVincenzo, Connaughton, Brown F-Greek, Middleton, Illyasova, Smith, Maker, Spalding, Wood C- Lopez,

Re: Celtics (1-3) at Bucks (3-1) Round 2 Game 5 5/8/19
« Reply #724 on: May 09, 2019, 06:50:53 AM »

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Well I checked out at half time when I came to terms that the team never showed up.
Trade deadline mock team: Celtics,
Irving, Rozier, Wanna
Smart, Robinson, Dozier
Tatum, Morris, Semi
Griffin, Theis, Yab
Horford, Baynes, Williams

Re: Celtics (1-3) at Bucks (3-1) Round 2 Game 5 5/8/19
« Reply #725 on: May 09, 2019, 08:09:42 AM »

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Hayward will most likey be more productive or alot more productive next year .....cause everybody but Smart will be gone .   I think there is decent chance Al comes an agreement and we keep one of Tatum or Brown .     Kyrie goes to play with gimpy KD in NY.    AD is traded for Zion .

Re: Celtics (1-3) at Bucks (3-1) Round 2 Game 5 5/8/19
« Reply #726 on: May 09, 2019, 09:07:53 AM »

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Hayward will most likey be more productive or alot more productive next year .....cause everybody but Smart will be gone .   I think there is decent chance Al comes an agreement and we keep one of Tatum or Brown .     Kyrie goes to play with gimpy KD in NY.    AD is traded for Zion .

OK so if Kyrie goes to NYK and AD is traded for Zion....why would team:

a) Keep Gordon
b) not keep both of Tatum and Brown

I mean, If Kyrie is gone, then so are chances of actually competing for a title for the forseeable future, so why trade or give away youth when you can move a 30 million dollar poor producer?

I would rather have a true center and keep my dynamic young duo at sg/sf.

Point
Brown
Tatum
Horford
Drummond for example

is better than
Point
Hayward
Tatum
someone
Horford
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Re: Celtics (1-3) at Bucks (3-1) Round 2 Game 5 5/8/19
« Reply #727 on: May 09, 2019, 09:46:45 AM »

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People wamt to talk about what the difference was between this and last season.

Team only had 1 single thing different.


Hayward.



People want to point at kyrie being the difference in success last season and this season. But guess what.

Kyrie played 67 games this year
Kyrie played 60 games last year.

Last season team went 9-6 without kyrie to close out the season with over half of those games coming against absolute tomato cans.

No I think the difference was those same players that showed up last year never showed up this year.  Because they couldnít be the focal point they sulked and caves instead of stepping up and doing there part with he time they were given.  You coulda run two offensive units out there with Morris kyrie smart Hayward, al to start and last years ecf starters of Rozier, Tatum, jayLen and be And two others off the bench.  Nearly two starting units of depth.  But nope we got a much mash of disorganization all year couple with butt hurt kids and thereís the outcome.

Re: Celtics (1-3) at Bucks (3-1) Round 2 Game 5 5/8/19
« Reply #728 on: May 09, 2019, 10:22:54 AM »

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People wamt to talk about what the difference was between this and last season.

Team only had 1 single thing different.


Hayward.



People want to point at kyrie being the difference in success last season and this season. But guess what.

Kyrie played 67 games this year
Kyrie played 60 games last year.

Last season team went 9-6 without kyrie to close out the season with over half of those games coming against absolute tomato cans.

No I think the difference was those same players that showed up last year never showed up this year.  Because they couldnít be the focal point they sulked and caves instead of stepping up and doing there part with he time they were given.  You coulda run two offensive units out there with Morris kyrie smart Hayward, al to start and last years ecf starters of Rozier, Tatum, jayLen and be And two others off the bench.  Nearly two starting units of depth.  But nope we got a much mash of disorganization all year couple with butt hurt kids and thereís the outcome.

I dont think the kids were necessarily wrong.

Tatum deserved to start, and brown deserved to start.

Brown got pulled but Hayward didnt...even though Gordon played as bad or worse than Brown.

then brown got his game back and still he came off the bench.



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G-Hill, Bledsoe, Matthews, Snell, DiVincenzo, Connaughton, Brown F-Greek, Middleton, Illyasova, Smith, Maker, Spalding, Wood C- Lopez,

 

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