Robert Williams similar to Montrezl Harrell?

[Ogaju]

for TL to be compared to MH would he not have to get on the court? You do no get to be compared to one of the highest motor guys in the league when your coach does not play you, right?

Right now TL's game can be compared to James Young. They both spent a lot of time on the bench.

By the way, you mean MH was available when Danny reached for Hunter??? WOW!!!!

I think at the same stage of their careers the comparison can be interesting.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=montrezl+Harrell&player_id1_select=Montrezl+Harrell&y1=2016&player_id1=harremo01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=robert+williams&player_id2_select=Robert+Williams&y2=2019&player_id2=williro04&idx=players

Obviously both barely got off the bench, but the differences in their game is evident. Defence and rebounding is almost incomparable, but Montrezl scored more and got more assists.

We also reached on Rozier ahead of his college teammate Montrezl

I gotcha, but when one player is beasting in the playoffs and you throw out a comparison thread to that player it is not unreasonable to assume you are making a comparison to  the player's current game.

[gouki88]

for TL to be compared to MH would he not have to get on the court? You do no get to be compared to one of the highest motor guys in the league when your coach does not play you, right?

Right now TL's game can be compared to James Young. They both spent a lot of time on the bench.

By the way, you mean MH was available when Danny reached for Hunter??? WOW!!!!

I think at the same stage of their careers the comparison can be interesting.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=montrezl+Harrell&player_id1_select=Montrezl+Harrell&y1=2016&player_id1=harremo01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=robert+williams&player_id2_select=Robert+Williams&y2=2019&player_id2=williro04&idx=players

Obviously both barely got off the bench, but the differences in their game is evident. Defence and rebounding is almost incomparable, but Montrezl scored more and got more assists.

We also reached on Rozier ahead of his college teammate Montrezl

I gotcha, but when one player is beasting in the playoffs and you throw out a comparison thread to that player it is not unreasonable to assume you are making a comparison to  the player's current game.

Yeah, you're definitely not wrong.

I hope that's not the comparison, because Harrell is a 6MOTY candidate and Williams played like, 300 minutes this season

[Celtics4ever]

I think they are vastly different.  Williams is a pogo stick, and Harrell is physical which Robert is not.
 
The main similarity is they are both tall and Afro-american but other than that their games are not very similar.

[Chris22]

The Celtics are not using Williams correctly. They need to STOP THROWING LOBS to him. It looks good on Sportscenter, but half the time it does not work and ends up with the other team shooting a layup because of bad floor balance.
I would use Williams like Dennis Rodman. I would tell him to go for rebounds and defend.

Honestly Rodman isn’t Williams game neither, he doesn’t get boards like that. He is a defensive guy who is working on a face up offense instead of back for the basket game. This isn’t a bad thing as AD showed me what a deadly mid range could look like but if you are looking for boards TL is not your man unless he himself makes a drastic change in how he plays.

Now what I’ll also say is HE IS NOT A PICK AND ROLL GUY. Hes too good of a passer to be a pick and roll guy. As long as they continue to make him a pick and roll player he’ll fail.

I disagree. He is good rebounder, but no one is coached to rebound any more.

[OldSchoolDude]

Williams was a beast in college.  He played with intensity, he was an absolute monster in the paint on both ends of the floor.  The knock on him was attitude because he got suspended by the team for two games. Sure he showed some serious immaturity but he wasn't doing bad stuff just absent minded things like missing his flight.  If you didn't see him play much in college sure its hard to gauge his energy level in his limited minutes but this article talks about what Marcus Morris thinks about Williams and there are quotes where he discusses Williams effort and energy level.
https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2018/11/boston_celtics_marcus_morris_robert_williams_will_be_special.html
Williams joined a very stacked team, if he was somewhere else he would look a lot better then what he is doing in his random two to four minutes.   Harrell didn't get much playing time as a rookie in Houston and didn't look anything like the beast he is now his first year.  He looked just as lost at times as Williams and every now and then he would flash a bit of what he could be.  Harrell was drafted in 2015 and that's a lot of time to get stronger and learn the game,  Harrell has reached the point in the NBA where he can do the things on the court that he was able to do in college.  He used his strength to bully smaller players in college but he wasn't strong enough to do that when he cam into the NBA, but now 4 years later he can use his strength to bully people.  From everything I can see spoken about Williams from his Celtics teammates Williams is working as hard on his game s Harrell did and many other players who were able to develop their game and make it as a pro, which was not the case for James Young.  When Yong was a rookie the Celtics players said that Young didn't have a good work ethic and that they were trying to teach him that.  To say Williams is like James Yong just because he's not playing is really selling him short.  Young was also completely clueless on the court and Williams looks like he has pretty good awareness just he has to get used to the speed of the NBA game.  He's a tougher kid than some people are giving him credit for.  Remember when he blocked AD?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9daI4vVNHU
Yeah, AD put all kinds of move on him and scored pretty much at ease, but Williams never backed down and did get that block.  And really who doesn't AD score at will on?   I think that Williams can develop into a physically intimidating force on defense and in the post on offence.  I even think he can get consistent with his mid range.  There is a lot of up side with Williams and I haven't seen anything to say he's not trending in that direction   I compered him to Harrell because I think he is going to be as physically intimidating a player once his body and his game mature, if not more so.

[nickagneta]

Williams is, right now, the same player he was his freshman year of college. He has barely developed any. It didn't help that he had a reputation of being very immature, not the best learner. Also not helping was a horrible coach at A&M that played him in a two center system.

But he is dripping potential, though maybe not as much as some think.

Williams is not a better ball handler than Tatum or Rozier. Not sure how anyone can get that who watched him in college or anytime this year.

Williams is a good rebounder. He is neither a great rebounder nor an elite rebounder. And he will have a tougher time here in the pros than in college because he isn't physical or strong enough to move people. He really needs more lower body strength that I am not sure he will be able to develop. I think he was the potential to be as good a rebounder as Horford was at his age, if he ever earns playing time.

Unfortunately, I don't think we see his best until season 4 or so, if he is even on the team then.

As for comparisons to Harrell....completely different type players. I don't see any similarities.

[Ogaju]

Williams is, right now, the same player he was his freshman year of college. He has barely developed any. It didn't help that he had a reputation of being very immature, not the best learner. Also not helping was a horrible coach at A&M that played him in a two center system.

But he is dripping potential, though maybe not as much as some think.

Williams is not a better ball handler than Tatum or Rozier. Not sure how anyone can get that who watched him in college or anytime this year.

Williams is a good rebounder. He is neither a great rebounder nor an elite rebounder. And he will have a tougher time here in the pros than in college because he isn't physical or strong enough to move people. He really needs more lower body strength that I am not sure he will be able to develop. I think he was the potential to be as good a rebounder as Horford was at his age, if he ever earns playing time.

Unfortunately, I don't think we see his best until season 4 or so, if he is even on the team then.

As for comparisons to Harrell....completely different type players. I don't see any similarities.

OP is comparing Williams and Harrell their college and rookie years.....

[RazzelnoDazzel]

The Celtics are not using Williams correctly. They need to STOP THROWING LOBS to him. It looks good on Sportscenter, but half the time it does not work and ends up with the other team shooting a layup because of bad floor balance.
I would use Williams like Dennis Rodman. I would tell him to go for rebounds and defend.

Honestly Rodman isn’t Williams game neither, he doesn’t get boards like that. He is a defensive guy who is working on a face up offense instead of back for the basket game. This isn’t a bad thing as AD showed me what a deadly mid range could look like but if you are looking for boards TL is not your man unless he himself makes a drastic change in how he plays.

Now what I’ll also say is HE IS NOT A PICK AND ROLL GUY. Hes too good of a passer to be a pick and roll guy. As long as they continue to make him a pick and roll player he’ll fail.

I disagree. He is good rebounder, but no one is coached to rebound any more.

I mean there is poor,bad,good,great, and superior. You can’t compare a “good” rebounder to a superior one. Rebounds has a lot to do with instincts, can’t teach instincts.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

Honestly this thread kind of ruined Rob for me and I’m angered by it lol. After watching sole Montrezl Highlights then watching some Rob highlights and watching Rob play 2 mins last night I’m completely unimpressed with his lack of motor.

[gouki88]

Honestly this thread kind of ruined Rob for me and I’m angered by it lol. After watching sole Montrezl Highlights then watching some Rob highlights and watching Rob play 2 mins last night I’m completely unimpressed with his lack of motor.

Ha, I can sorta get this, but Harrell probably has one of the most impressive motors in the whole league on offence, and he isn't a very spectacular defender.

Not to say he isn't an acceptable defender. But he's undersized and doesn't offer much ring protection. He exerts less energy on defence than I think Williams is asked to.

Hopefully RWill can take a leaf out of his book and start rolling to the ring like a man possessed