[Charania] Magic steps down as President of Basketball Operations (*Walton gone)

[Moranis]

LeBron: coach killer.

Has there ever been a star with this kind of reputation? Every team he goes to, barring Spoelstra supported by Riley, has suffered this fate to a certain extent recently. Crazy

Wilt Chamberlain -- had problems with every coach except for Alex Hannum and Bill Sharman.

Shaq had a lot of coaching issues.  One of the reasons he left Orlando.  Jordan got a couple of coaches fired before Phil.  There have been plenty of ithers.  It isn't that uncommon for the all time greats where the expectation to win is so great that the coaches are often the ones left to take the fall when the winning doesn't happen.

Everyone knows this isn't what we're talking about with LeBron

Master of Panic.  You know that because Shaq got Van Gundy fired.  Magic got Westhead fired. Jordan got Doug Collins fired.  This idea that Lebron is the first player to be a coach killer is silly nonsense.  He won't be the last either and it absolutely comes down to expectations a lot of the time.

And at the end of the day those teams all got better coaches and won titles.

Being a superstar and at one point getting one coach fired is far different than being a superstar and being a coach killer. Lots of stars have gotten one coach fired. Few have the track record of getting multiple coaches and GMs fired like LeBron has.

there have been also been very few superstars with a collection of crap coaches like Lebron has had as well.  I mean we are talking about guys like Mike Brown, David Blatt, and Luke Walton.  Perhaps if those teams actually found a good coach (like say Spo in Miami) they would have kept their jobs.
 As for GM's, Dan Gilbert has never retained a GM after their first contract expires. I wouldn't call that a Lebron problem.

Spo? come on now. The only reason Spo kept his job was because he had a strong boss in Riley who I believe owns a piece of that team, so he speaks with the authority of an owner.

Spo is a good coach. He still has his job after all.

[Ogaju]

LeBron: coach killer.

Has there ever been a star with this kind of reputation? Every team he goes to, barring Spoelstra supported by Riley, has suffered this fate to a certain extent recently. Crazy

Wilt Chamberlain -- had problems with every coach except for Alex Hannum and Bill Sharman.

Shaq had a lot of coaching issues.  One of the reasons he left Orlando.  Jordan got a couple of coaches fired before Phil.  There have been plenty of ithers.  It isn't that uncommon for the all time greats where the expectation to win is so great that the coaches are often the ones left to take the fall when the winning doesn't happen.

Everyone knows this isn't what we're talking about with LeBron

Master of Panic.  You know that because Shaq got Van Gundy fired.  Magic got Westhead fired. Jordan got Doug Collins fired.  This idea that Lebron is the first player to be a coach killer is silly nonsense.  He won't be the last either and it absolutely comes down to expectations a lot of the time.

And at the end of the day those teams all got better coaches and won titles.

Being a superstar and at one point getting one coach fired is far different than being a superstar and being a coach killer. Lots of stars have gotten one coach fired. Few have the track record of getting multiple coaches and GMs fired like LeBron has.

there have been also been very few superstars with a collection of crap coaches like Lebron has had as well.  I mean we are talking about guys like Mike Brown, David Blatt, and Luke Walton.  Perhaps if those teams actually found a good coach (like say Spo in Miami) they would have kept their jobs.
 As for GM's, Dan Gilbert has never retained a GM after their first contract expires. I wouldn't call that a Lebron problem.

Spo? come on now. The only reason Spo kept his job was because he had a strong boss in Riley who I believe owns a piece of that team, so he speaks with the authority of an owner.

Spo is a good coach. He still has his job after all.

maybe he is but is he that much better than the other coaches. He won with overwhelming talent...those other coaches win with the same talent if they had the support of a Pat Riley.

[Moranis]

LeBron: coach killer.

Has there ever been a star with this kind of reputation? Every team he goes to, barring Spoelstra supported by Riley, has suffered this fate to a certain extent recently. Crazy

Wilt Chamberlain -- had problems with every coach except for Alex Hannum and Bill Sharman.

Shaq had a lot of coaching issues.  One of the reasons he left Orlando.  Jordan got a couple of coaches fired before Phil.  There have been plenty of ithers.  It isn't that uncommon for the all time greats where the expectation to win is so great that the coaches are often the ones left to take the fall when the winning doesn't happen.

Everyone knows this isn't what we're talking about with LeBron

Master of Panic.  You know that because Shaq got Van Gundy fired.  Magic got Westhead fired. Jordan got Doug Collins fired.  This idea that Lebron is the first player to be a coach killer is silly nonsense.  He won't be the last either and it absolutely comes down to expectations a lot of the time.

And at the end of the day those teams all got better coaches and won titles.

Being a superstar and at one point getting one coach fired is far different than being a superstar and being a coach killer. Lots of stars have gotten one coach fired. Few have the track record of getting multiple coaches and GMs fired like LeBron has.

there have been also been very few superstars with a collection of crap coaches like Lebron has had as well.  I mean we are talking about guys like Mike Brown, David Blatt, and Luke Walton.  Perhaps if those teams actually found a good coach (like say Spo in Miami) they would have kept their jobs.
 As for GM's, Dan Gilbert has never retained a GM after their first contract expires. I wouldn't call that a Lebron problem.

Spo? come on now. The only reason Spo kept his job was because he had a strong boss in Riley who I believe owns a piece of that team, so he speaks with the authority of an owner.

Spo is a good coach. He still has his job after all.

maybe he is but is he that much better than the other coaches. He won with overwhelming talent...those other coaches win with the same talent if they had the support of a Pat Riley.

Spo is absolutely a better coach than Brown and Blatt.  It shouldn't be a question at all.  Walton is a little harder to really say given his age, but Walton showed almost nothing in 3 years in LA that would lead me to believe he is an even average coach let alone good.

[Ogaju]

LeBron: coach killer.

Has there ever been a star with this kind of reputation? Every team he goes to, barring Spoelstra supported by Riley, has suffered this fate to a certain extent recently. Crazy

Wilt Chamberlain -- had problems with every coach except for Alex Hannum and Bill Sharman.

Shaq had a lot of coaching issues.  One of the reasons he left Orlando.  Jordan got a couple of coaches fired before Phil.  There have been plenty of ithers.  It isn't that uncommon for the all time greats where the expectation to win is so great that the coaches are often the ones left to take the fall when the winning doesn't happen.

Everyone knows this isn't what we're talking about with LeBron

Master of Panic.  You know that because Shaq got Van Gundy fired.  Magic got Westhead fired. Jordan got Doug Collins fired.  This idea that Lebron is the first player to be a coach killer is silly nonsense.  He won't be the last either and it absolutely comes down to expectations a lot of the time.

And at the end of the day those teams all got better coaches and won titles.

Being a superstar and at one point getting one coach fired is far different than being a superstar and being a coach killer. Lots of stars have gotten one coach fired. Few have the track record of getting multiple coaches and GMs fired like LeBron has.

there have been also been very few superstars with a collection of crap coaches like Lebron has had as well.  I mean we are talking about guys like Mike Brown, David Blatt, and Luke Walton.  Perhaps if those teams actually found a good coach (like say Spo in Miami) they would have kept their jobs.
 As for GM's, Dan Gilbert has never retained a GM after their first contract expires. I wouldn't call that a Lebron problem.

Spo? come on now. The only reason Spo kept his job was because he had a strong boss in Riley who I believe owns a piece of that team, so he speaks with the authority of an owner.

Spo is a good coach. He still has his job after all.

maybe he is but is he that much better than the other coaches. He won with overwhelming talent...those other coaches win with the same talent if they had the support of a Pat Riley.

Spo is absolutely a better coach than Brown and Blatt.  It shouldn't be a question at all.  Walton is a little harder to really say given his age, but Walton showed almost nothing in 3 years in LA that would lead me to believe he is an even average coach let alone good.

As  soon as Spo wins without the best player in the world  I will agree with you. Ty Lue won with LeBron.

[Celtics4ever]

A lof of coaches in this thread are the classic only as good as their players.

[Moranis]

LeBron: coach killer.

Has there ever been a star with this kind of reputation? Every team he goes to, barring Spoelstra supported by Riley, has suffered this fate to a certain extent recently. Crazy

Wilt Chamberlain -- had problems with every coach except for Alex Hannum and Bill Sharman.

Shaq had a lot of coaching issues.  One of the reasons he left Orlando.  Jordan got a couple of coaches fired before Phil.  There have been plenty of ithers.  It isn't that uncommon for the all time greats where the expectation to win is so great that the coaches are often the ones left to take the fall when the winning doesn't happen.

Everyone knows this isn't what we're talking about with LeBron

Master of Panic.  You know that because Shaq got Van Gundy fired.  Magic got Westhead fired. Jordan got Doug Collins fired.  This idea that Lebron is the first player to be a coach killer is silly nonsense.  He won't be the last either and it absolutely comes down to expectations a lot of the time.

And at the end of the day those teams all got better coaches and won titles.

Being a superstar and at one point getting one coach fired is far different than being a superstar and being a coach killer. Lots of stars have gotten one coach fired. Few have the track record of getting multiple coaches and GMs fired like LeBron has.

there have been also been very few superstars with a collection of crap coaches like Lebron has had as well.  I mean we are talking about guys like Mike Brown, David Blatt, and Luke Walton.  Perhaps if those teams actually found a good coach (like say Spo in Miami) they would have kept their jobs.
 As for GM's, Dan Gilbert has never retained a GM after their first contract expires. I wouldn't call that a Lebron problem.

Spo? come on now. The only reason Spo kept his job was because he had a strong boss in Riley who I believe owns a piece of that team, so he speaks with the authority of an owner.

Spo is a good coach. He still has his job after all.

maybe he is but is he that much better than the other coaches. He won with overwhelming talent...those other coaches win with the same talent if they had the support of a Pat Riley.

Spo is absolutely a better coach than Brown and Blatt.  It shouldn't be a question at all.  Walton is a little harder to really say given his age, but Walton showed almost nothing in 3 years in LA that would lead me to believe he is an even average coach let alone good.

As  soon as Spo wins without the best player in the world  I will agree with you. Ty Lue won with LeBron.

Brown, Blatt, and Walton all had the best player in the world and didn't win.  So by your logic you agree Spo is a better coach then they are, so what exactly are you arguing about?

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

LeBron: coach killer.

Has there ever been a star with this kind of reputation? Every team he goes to, barring Spoelstra supported by Riley, has suffered this fate to a certain extent recently. Crazy

Wilt Chamberlain -- had problems with every coach except for Alex Hannum and Bill Sharman.

Shaq had a lot of coaching issues.  One of the reasons he left Orlando.  Jordan got a couple of coaches fired before Phil.  There have been plenty of ithers.  It isn't that uncommon for the all time greats where the expectation to win is so great that the coaches are often the ones left to take the fall when the winning doesn't happen.

Everyone knows this isn't what we're talking about with LeBron

Master of Panic.  You know that because Shaq got Van Gundy fired.  Magic got Westhead fired. Jordan got Doug Collins fired.  This idea that Lebron is the first player to be a coach killer is silly nonsense.  He won't be the last either and it absolutely comes down to expectations a lot of the time.

And at the end of the day those teams all got better coaches and won titles.

Being a superstar and at one point getting one coach fired is far different than being a superstar and being a coach killer. Lots of stars have gotten one coach fired. Few have the track record of getting multiple coaches and GMs fired like LeBron has.

there have been also been very few superstars with a collection of crap coaches like Lebron has had as well.  I mean we are talking about guys like Mike Brown, David Blatt, and Luke Walton.  Perhaps if those teams actually found a good coach (like say Spo in Miami) they would have kept their jobs.
 As for GM's, Dan Gilbert has never retained a GM after their first contract expires. I wouldn't call that a Lebron problem.

Spo? come on now. The only reason Spo kept his job was because he had a strong boss in Riley who I believe owns a piece of that team, so he speaks with the authority of an owner.

Spo is a good coach. He still has his job after all.

maybe he is but is he that much better than the other coaches. He won with overwhelming talent...those other coaches win with the same talent if they had the support of a Pat Riley.

Spo is absolutely a better coach than Brown and Blatt.  It shouldn't be a question at all.  Walton is a little harder to really say given his age, but Walton showed almost nothing in 3 years in LA that would lead me to believe he is an even average coach let alone good.

As  soon as Spo wins without the best player in the world  I will agree with you. Ty Lue won with LeBron.

Brown, Blatt, and Walton all had the best player in the world and didn't win.  So by your logic you agree Spo is a better coach then they are, so what exactly are you arguing about?

Walton with old and hurt LBJ vs. Spo with prime LBJ, Wade and Bosh? LOL yeah not a comparison at all. None of the other 2 had any chance to have what Lue did with KYRIE, LBJ, and Love. Brown just isn't good for sure, I'll give you that. Walton probably isn't either but I don't know yet. Spo has not done anything without 3 HOF.

[Moranis]

LeBron: coach killer.

Has there ever been a star with this kind of reputation? Every team he goes to, barring Spoelstra supported by Riley, has suffered this fate to a certain extent recently. Crazy

Wilt Chamberlain -- had problems with every coach except for Alex Hannum and Bill Sharman.

Shaq had a lot of coaching issues.  One of the reasons he left Orlando.  Jordan got a couple of coaches fired before Phil.  There have been plenty of ithers.  It isn't that uncommon for the all time greats where the expectation to win is so great that the coaches are often the ones left to take the fall when the winning doesn't happen.

Everyone knows this isn't what we're talking about with LeBron

Master of Panic.  You know that because Shaq got Van Gundy fired.  Magic got Westhead fired. Jordan got Doug Collins fired.  This idea that Lebron is the first player to be a coach killer is silly nonsense.  He won't be the last either and it absolutely comes down to expectations a lot of the time.

And at the end of the day those teams all got better coaches and won titles.

Being a superstar and at one point getting one coach fired is far different than being a superstar and being a coach killer. Lots of stars have gotten one coach fired. Few have the track record of getting multiple coaches and GMs fired like LeBron has.

there have been also been very few superstars with a collection of crap coaches like Lebron has had as well.  I mean we are talking about guys like Mike Brown, David Blatt, and Luke Walton.  Perhaps if those teams actually found a good coach (like say Spo in Miami) they would have kept their jobs.
 As for GM's, Dan Gilbert has never retained a GM after their first contract expires. I wouldn't call that a Lebron problem.

Spo? come on now. The only reason Spo kept his job was because he had a strong boss in Riley who I believe owns a piece of that team, so he speaks with the authority of an owner.

Spo is a good coach. He still has his job after all.

maybe he is but is he that much better than the other coaches. He won with overwhelming talent...those other coaches win with the same talent if they had the support of a Pat Riley.

Spo is absolutely a better coach than Brown and Blatt.  It shouldn't be a question at all.  Walton is a little harder to really say given his age, but Walton showed almost nothing in 3 years in LA that would lead me to believe he is an even average coach let alone good.

As  soon as Spo wins without the best player in the world  I will agree with you. Ty Lue won with LeBron.

Brown, Blatt, and Walton all had the best player in the world and didn't win.  So by your logic you agree Spo is a better coach then they are, so what exactly are you arguing about?

Walton with old and hurt LBJ vs. Spo with prime LBJ, Wade and Bosh? LOL yeah not a comparison at all. None of the other 2 had any chance to have what Lue did with KYRIE, LBJ, and Love. Brown just isn't good for sure, I'll give you that. Walton probably isn't either but I don't know yet. Spo has not done anything without 3 HOF.

Spo has 7 seasons without Lebron and has won at least 41 games in 5 of those seasons and the other 2 were 37 and 39 win teams.  He has won a playoff series as well.  Spo isn't a great coach but he is a very good coach, probably back half of top 10 as coaches go. 

[CelticsElite]

https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2019/4/21/18510357/lakers-magic-johnson-still-talks-jeanie-buss-almost-every-day-free-agency-rumors-recruiting-pelinka


Se he's working for the team without being employed by them. Now he gets to tamper without fines or problems

[GreenCoffeeBean]

Given the sad state of the Lakers roster, I say this is a good thing for the rest of the NBA. Talk on, Magic!

[ederson]

He is still helping? So he thinks that he has been helping so far? 

[gouki88]

Never stop "helping" Magic!

[SparzWizard]

Probably gets paid under the table too, dang it Magic.

[Scottiej23]

He's about as competent at running a basketball organisation as what Isiah Thomas was, but he hides it better because he has a personality which makes it harder for people to criticise him. Please Magic, keep helping.

[kraidstar]

Elsewhere under the Big Top, Luke Walton was just accused of pinning a reporter to his hotel room bed and forcibly kissing and groping her.

The Lakers claim they had no knowledge of what happened until he left the team. LOL. The circus continues.