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Quote from: PhoSita on March 24, 2019, 10:43:01 PMKyrie is a great offensive talent.He hasn't demonstrated so far with the Celts that he's a great player. Things were pretty good last year, but he missed the playoffs and didn't have the chance to show it in the playoffs.This year, he hasn't been able to elevate the talent around him. And I think there are plenty of reasons to believe his off court stuff has hurt team chemistry, or at least been a major contributing factor to the awful chemistry that has torpedoed the team.Yeah, questioning whether or not he's a great player is very confusing. He's also proven to be a great player with us this season. 25/7/5/1.6 on .499/.410/.878 shooting since November is great production, and he will likely be All-NBA 2nd or 3rd team this season. He's already proved he's a great player in the multiple finals he's been in. Whether he's a great leader is what the question should be.
Kyrie is a great offensive talent.He hasn't demonstrated so far with the Celts that he's a great player. Things were pretty good last year, but he missed the playoffs and didn't have the chance to show it in the playoffs.This year, he hasn't been able to elevate the talent around him. And I think there are plenty of reasons to believe his off court stuff has hurt team chemistry, or at least been a major contributing factor to the awful chemistry that has torpedoed the team.
I don't know which OP you're referring to, but Kyrie is only a small part of the issue.Yes, he's a little too ball dominant but this falls as much on Tatum's porous defense, Rozier's awful 3 point attempt and Brad proving he's an inept coach.
Quote from: gpap on March 23, 2019, 09:20:48 PMI don't know which OP you're referring to, but Kyrie is only a small part of the issue.Yes, he's a little too ball dominant but this falls as much on Tatum's porous defense, Rozier's awful 3 point attempt and Brad proving he's an inept coach.Just "a little too ball dominant" ? That's like saying Doris Burke is just a little bit obnoxious.
Quote from: tenn_smoothie on March 24, 2019, 11:09:14 PMQuote from: gpap on March 23, 2019, 09:20:48 PMI don't know which OP you're referring to, but Kyrie is only a small part of the issue.Yes, he's a little too ball dominant but this falls as much on Tatum's porous defense, Rozier's awful 3 point attempt and Brad proving he's an inept coach.Just "a little too ball dominant" ? That's like saying Doris Burke is just a little bit obnoxious.He's actually less ball-dominant than most players with his talent. His usage rate is pretty low, only ranked at 17th in the league.
Jay King: Brad Stevens said he had no problem with Kyrie Irving criticizing the schemes on Kemba Walker the other night. “I don’t get too caught up in that.”
Even if you swapped out kyrie for a “better” guard like Steph, this team would still struggle in the same way and putter to a 5th seed. The main problems of this team aren’t on kyrie. Without him this team would probably miss the playoffs.
Quote from: PhoSita on March 24, 2019, 10:43:01 PMKyrie is a great offensive talent.He hasn't demonstrated so far with the Celts that he's a great player. Things were pretty good last year, but he missed the playoffs and didn't have the chance to show it in the playoffs.This year, he hasn't been able to elevate the talent around him. And I think there are plenty of reasons to believe his off court stuff has hurt team chemistry, or at least been a major contributing factor to the awful chemistry that has torpedoed the team.He's already proved he's a great player in the multiple finals he's been in. Whether he's a great leader is what the question should be.
Quote from: RPGenerate on March 24, 2019, 10:46:47 PMQuote from: PhoSita on March 24, 2019, 10:43:01 PMKyrie is a great offensive talent.He hasn't demonstrated so far with the Celts that he's a great player. Things were pretty good last year, but he missed the playoffs and didn't have the chance to show it in the playoffs.This year, he hasn't been able to elevate the talent around him. And I think there are plenty of reasons to believe his off court stuff has hurt team chemistry, or at least been a major contributing factor to the awful chemistry that has torpedoed the team.He's already proved he's a great player in the multiple finals he's been in. Whether he's a great leader is what the question should be.Great players don't just put up numbers. They enhance the team around them and they certainly don't subtract.
Quote from: PhoSita on March 25, 2019, 01:55:08 AMQuote from: RPGenerate on March 24, 2019, 10:46:47 PMQuote from: PhoSita on March 24, 2019, 10:43:01 PMKyrie is a great offensive talent.He hasn't demonstrated so far with the Celts that he's a great player. Things were pretty good last year, but he missed the playoffs and didn't have the chance to show it in the playoffs.This year, he hasn't been able to elevate the talent around him. And I think there are plenty of reasons to believe his off court stuff has hurt team chemistry, or at least been a major contributing factor to the awful chemistry that has torpedoed the team.He's already proved he's a great player in the multiple finals he's been in. Whether he's a great leader is what the question should be.Great players don't just put up numbers. They enhance the team around them and they certainly don't subtract.So is Kyrie similar to LeBron?
Quote from: gouki88 on March 25, 2019, 02:00:41 AMQuote from: PhoSita on March 25, 2019, 01:55:08 AMQuote from: RPGenerate on March 24, 2019, 10:46:47 PMQuote from: PhoSita on March 24, 2019, 10:43:01 PMKyrie is a great offensive talent.He hasn't demonstrated so far with the Celts that he's a great player. Things were pretty good last year, but he missed the playoffs and didn't have the chance to show it in the playoffs.This year, he hasn't been able to elevate the talent around him. And I think there are plenty of reasons to believe his off court stuff has hurt team chemistry, or at least been a major contributing factor to the awful chemistry that has torpedoed the team.He's already proved he's a great player in the multiple finals he's been in. Whether he's a great leader is what the question should be.Great players don't just put up numbers. They enhance the team around them and they certainly don't subtract.So is Kyrie similar to LeBron?What about the slump that Jayson Tatum is going through? Or...the ridiculous continual decision to start Morris over Brown lol. Why is the blame always gotta be on Irving whether they win or lose lol.