New Zealand reforming gun laws/US gun debate after another shooting

[Donoghus]

Given the PSA that Sandy Hook Promise put out, are the parents of Sandy Hook victims going to be upset with clothes that have Sandy Hook and bullet holes on them? Perhaps a shock political message is something they want to push.

Well, yeah. Even says so in that MSN article.

A memorial page for Vicki Soto, one of the teachers killed in the 2012 Sandy Hook shooting responded directly to the Instagram post of the Sandy Hook hoodie saying “As a Sandy Hook family, what you are doing here is absolutely disgusting, hurtful, wrong and disrespectful. You’ll never know what our family went through after Vicki died protecting her students. Our pain is not to be used for your fashion.”[/quote]

[mmmmm]

A New York clothing company has introduced school shooting hoodies that have bullet holes in them
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/school-shooting-hoodies-with-bullet-holes-land-fashion-company-in-hot-water/ar-AAHtsk4?ocid=spartanntp

My initial reaction was (and still is) that the idea is ridiculous. No company should be able to try to make a profit from tragedies like these. My next thought was, but the gun companies that made these guns in these mass shootings, are still selling them and making a profit too.

BTW, it’s one thing to want to try and sell these hoodies, but who in their right mind will buy and wear them?

Yeah, I have far less problem with the fashion-as-protest thing than with all the companies lining up to sell metal detectors and security services to schools and to sell guns to and train teachers to carry guns and other crazy insanity.   Our schools are not supposed to be fortresses.

[Roy H.]

This isn't strictly related, but I do wonder how much of the mass murders, gang shootings, hate crimes, etc. are due to a simple lack of appreciation for human life.  Case in point:

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/teen-arrested-stabbing-boy-attacked-filmed-dozens-bled-121300477--abc-news-topstories.html

Not a gun crime, but the result is the same.  And what did people do?  Filmed it, instead of helping.

[indeedproceed]

https://deadspin.com/referee-shot-in-the-head-by-cannon-during-college-footb-1838487519

Finally! THIS is what the founding fathers had in mind

[Celtics4ever]

Not a gun crime, but the result is the same.  And what did people do?  Filmed it, instead of helping.

Everyone thinks they will step up and help but this does not always happen.   The same is true of combat and the like everyone thinks they will be a Rambo but a lot of guys hang low and occassionally discharge their weapon.

[jambr380]

https://deadspin.com/referee-shot-in-the-head-by-cannon-during-college-footb-1838487519

Finally! THIS is what the founding fathers had in mind

I liked this part of the article...

The Hancock County Sheriff’s Office will investigate the matter, and the school said in a statement that it would no longer allow random alumni to bring cannons to home football games, which seems reasonable.

Where do you even get your own cannon anyway - a gun show, or something?

[indeedproceed]

NRA acted as a foreign asset according to 18-month probe by dem finance committee:

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/27/764879242/nra-was-foreign-asset-to-russia-ahead-of-2016-new-senate-report-reveals

The National Rifle Association acted as a "foreign asset" for Russia in the period leading up to the 2016 election, according to a new investigation unveiled Friday by Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore.

Drawing on contemporaneous emails and private interviews, an 18-month probe by the Senate Finance Committee's Democratic staff found that the NRA underwrote political access for Russian nationals Maria Butina and Alexander Torshin more than previously known — even though the two had declared their ties to the Kremlin.

The report, available here, also describes how closely the gun rights group was involved with organizing a 2015 visit by some of its leaders to Moscow.

Then-NRA vice president Pete Brownell, who would later become NRA president, was enticed to visit Russia with the promise of personal business opportunities — and the NRA covered a portion of the trip's costs.
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Maria Butina In An Interview From Prison: I Question The U.S. Justice System

The conclusions of the Senate investigation could have legal implications for the NRA, Wyden says.

Tax-exempt organizations are barred from using funds for the personal benefit of its officials or for actions significantly outside their stated missions. The revelations in the Senate report raise questions about whether the NRA could face civil penalties or lose its tax-exempt status.

Attorneys general in the state of New York and the District of Columbia are also conducting separate probes into alleged wrongdoing at the gun rights organization. These probes have a broader scope than the Senate report, which focuses on Russia.

[nickagneta]

So the latest shooting is a terror attack from a Saudi armed forces pilot here on training.

Here is the thing, he did it with a legally purchased Glock 9. How was he able to legally purchase the gun? As a non-immigrant here on a visa, he can get a gun to use for hunting. So the terrorist got a legal hunting license and then used it to buy that reknown hunting gun, a Glock 9.

Unreal.

[Roy H.]

Thank God for this particular “good guy with a gun”.  It sounds like he had both the training and the mind set to handle this the exactly right way.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/parishioner-gunned-down-texas-church-shooter-says-hes-192700170--abc-news-topstories.html

[slamtheking]

Thank God for this particular “good guy with a gun”.  It sounds like he had both the training and the mind set to handle this the exactly right way.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/parishioner-gunned-down-texas-church-shooter-says-hes-192700170--abc-news-topstories.html

appalling that yet another violent, hate-driven attack has occurred where citizens even felt the need to be armed for such a situation.  I can't imagine what the families of the victims are going through right now

[nickagneta]

Thank God for this particular “good guy with a gun”.  It sounds like he had both the training and the mind set to handle this the exactly right way.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/parishioner-gunned-down-texas-church-shooter-says-hes-192700170--abc-news-topstories.html

appalling that yet another violent, hate-driven attack has occurred where citizens even felt the need to be armed for such a situation.  I can't imagine what the families of the victims are going through right now

These types of killings are always disturbing but, maybe, in a more disturbing view of where we are in America with guns, is the fact that this church decided they needed armed security in order to have mass.

[Roy H.]

Thank God for this particular “good guy with a gun”.  It sounds like he had both the training and the mind set to handle this the exactly right way.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/parishioner-gunned-down-texas-church-shooter-says-hes-192700170--abc-news-topstories.html

appalling that yet another violent, hate-driven attack has occurred where citizens even felt the need to be armed for such a situation.  I can't imagine what the families of the victims are going through right now

These types of killings are always disturbing but, maybe, in a more disturbing view of where we are in America with guns, is the fact that this church decided they needed armed security in order to have mass.

In the cruel irony category, this church may have been chosen because it did have guns.  The shooter wanted to die on the 10th anniversary of his brother's suicide, so he likely picked a target where he knew there were plenty of guns.