Anything that lowers the price for Davis is good news. Let's hope a rebuilding team wins the lottery and wants Zion.
I think a team wpuld be foolish to trade zion. He would be on a rookie contract and controllable for years.
Now the price for Davis, imo, is Tatum, the memphis pick, the Clippers pick, Boston pick 2020 and filler
Let Cs still draft this season. Would hate to miss out on some cheap depth with loads of potential.
Little at the sac pick
Fernando or reid at the boston pick
For “filler” we are going to need a good chunk of more salary. A S&T of Rozier would certainly help and what I’m hoping for, and I hope they sign someone soon to a 2 MLE deal.
The problem with using an S&T for the 'filler' is that only half the salary in an S&T counts for matching in trade.
For Davis, we have to send out at least 22M in outgoing salary (his salary next year is just over $27M).
Tatum will make 7.8M. If we exercise the draft picks, sign them and trade them in the package after 30 days, then their salaries can count as well. The three picks mentioned right now would have a combined rookie scale total of about 7.5M. That leaves a little over 6.7M in salary to be made up.
That means signing & trading Rozier on a deal paying him at least 13.4M in his first year. Plus it has to be fully guaranteed in that first year.
Now, I'm sure that Rozier would like that salary. But would NOP want to pay that? That would mean paying him that much on top of also paying Jrue Holiday another $27M next year at the same position. That's an awful lot of salary tied up in the PG spot.
Edit: Actually, for the MEM pick to convey, it has to drop a bit from where it is at in order for it to convey and thus the amount of rookie salary the three picks would total to would be less than I indicated above. That probably pushes the needed deal for Rozier up closer to $15M. You could trim that back by including another player like Semi, Yabu or RW but now you are talking about a lot of bodies going to NOP and they needing a lot of empty roster spots to take them.
S&T transactions are harder and harder to make work given the rule changes of the last couple of CBAs.
- Davis has a 15% trade kicker and since NO didn't trade him to his desired LAL destination, it's probably a good bet Davis doesn't do anyone any favors by waving it, so his salary will be $31.157 million meaning New Orleans would need to take salary back between $24.82 million and $39.04 million
- I am not sure if you don't understand the sign and trade 50% salary rule or didn't explain it but a sign and trade for Rozier creates a Base Year Compensation situation. These are the rules:
Base Year Compensation (BYC) is mostly an artifact of previous collective bargaining agreements. Its intent was to prevent teams from signing free agents to new contracts with salaries specifically intended to help facilitate trades. BYC was triggered when a team was over the cap and re-signed a player using the Larry Bird or Early Bird exception with a raise over 20%. Once triggered, BYC temporarily lowered the player's outgoing salary for salary-matching purposes (only), and therefore reduced or eliminated teams' ability to target salaries for trade purposes.
The 2011 CBA mostly eliminated BYC -- in fact, the term "Base Year Compensation" was removed from the agreement entirely. The rules formerly known as BYC now apply under just one circumstance -- during sign-and-trade transactions (see question number 92). If a team re-signs its Larry Bird or Early Bird free agent in order to trade the player in a sign-and-trade transaction, the player's new salary is greater than the minimum, he receives a raise greater than 20%, and the team is at or above the cap immediately after the signing1, then the player's outgoing salary for trade purposes is either his previous salary or 50% of his new salary, whichever is greater. The team receiving the player always uses his new salary.
For example, a player made $5 million last season, is a Larry Bird free agent, and re-signs with his previous team for $10 million. The team is a taxpayer, and therefore is over the cap following the signing. The signing is part of a sign-and-trade transaction for another team's $10 million player. Since the BYC conditions were satisfied the player's outgoing salary for the trade portion of this sign-and-trade transaction is $5 million. This trade therefore would not be allowed, even though the players' new salaries match, since a taxpaying team cannot trade a $5 million player for a $10 million player.
Tatum - $7.8 mil
Let's say $5 mil in draft picks signed then traded 30 days later
Williams - $1.9 mil
That gets to 14.7 mil. We have to get to the minimum of $24.82 outgoing to make this trade. That means needing to make $14.13 mil in salary. If you try to do it with just a Rozier S&T, the deal for Rozier would need to be for $28.26 mil....which is over the maximum salary for a player of Rozier's experience.
So need more outgoing salary to lower the value of Rozier's S&T. Let's put Yabusele and his $3.11 mil. Adding him lowers the salary needed to $11.02 mil which would put the Rozier S&T needed at $22.04 mil
So we have reached the minimum salary needed to go out to make the trade work. But what about incoming? We sent out
Tatum, Williams, Yabusele and three picks which totaled $5 million or $17.81 million plus Rozier's $22.04 or total outgoing is $39.85 million. That means Boston needs to take in a minimum of $31.88 million.
But New Orleans is only sending us $31.157. So that trade is not going through.
I guess, as an exercise, if anyone wants to start adding more players to either side of the trade to make it work, then rework all the numbers, by all means go ahead. I think eventually you might get to make it work.
The point being, trying to include Rozier as a S&T, if he would even consent to it, makes the trade extremely difficult and maybe much larger than either team would want.
The easier thing is just include Smart.