Time to put Brown and Hayward back in the starting lineup

[Chris22]

Brown should start.

Hayward is killing us right now. In the last 10 games, I would start Hayward and sit some starters. This will make him the feature player and give him a chance to get right. He's trash right now.

Once playoff position will not change, let Hayward get 30 mins and majority of the shots. If he doesn't show much, take him out the rotation for playoffs.

LOL

Hayward had the highest plus and minus on the team last night.

[BlackCeltic]

Brown should start.

Hayward is killing us right now. In the last 10 games, I would start Hayward and sit some starters. This will make him the feature player and give him a chance to get right. He's trash right now.

Once playoff position will not change, let Hayward get 30 mins and majority of the shots. If he doesn't show much, take him out the rotation for playoffs.

LOL

Hayward had the highest plus and minus on the team last night.

Im curious to know how many minutes he played alongside Morris, must not have been much.

[Greengang5]

Shutdown Hayward for season..guy couldnt guard me

Really hard to watch him play offense and even tougher on defense. Guys are just going right at him because he just can't move.

You might want to look at the defensive numbers from last night.

[footey]

At the beginning of the season I recall that the plus/minus with Brown and Hayward on the floor together was pretty bad.

But for those of us who have watched all the games this season, we can observe that the two are clearly developing very good chemistry together. I would bet that a high percentage of Brown's assisted baskets are assisted by Hayward. 

They really seem to be bonding, too, just observing how often they seem to confer during game breaks, etc.  It makes sense, as Hayward is more of a play maker, Brown more of a slasher, hit the open jumper and post up shooter, and Hayward is really good at maximizing Brown's strengths when he is on the floor.

As an aside, I think Paul Pierce made a great observation about Tatum last night, needing to learn how to create fouls when he drives. He is such a good foul shooter, it will increase his scoring dramatically.

All told, I am starting to move into the camp of not trading for Davis, even at the cost of letting Kyrie walk.  I can see a future with Brad if we build around our young guys, maybe package some of our picks for a good play maker who can also shoot the 3 and defend (Conley?) and  continue to watch the young guys develop with Hayward and Al.  I don't think Brad would be able to coach a Kyrie and AD led team, and question whether  he would want to. 

A team build around our youth may not win many championships, but it would be a lot more fun to route for.

[JBcat]

I agree about Morris.

With Smart I can’t make up my mind.  Earlier in the season when Brown and Hayward were in the starting lineup we were getting torched by shooting guards.  When Smart was inserted into the starting lineup that nipped the issue in the bud.

So that would be my worry as Smart is so good defensively, and maybe Brown’s defense is a little overrated, and it would make our defense softer to start the game.  Maybe someone well versed in advanced stats can speak on that.

[tstorey_97]

The team needs Hayward, badly.

He still isn't playing well.

In the last three games he has attempted 17 shots and has scored 17 points.

He is the first off the bench and he simply isn't contributing with the starters or the bench.

He had three solid games in a row and is back to whatever he's been for most of this season.

The majority of the Celtic's problems this last 10 games is the team. They just aren't playing well and each guy has tried to get things going without much luck.

Once the team gets going again I'm sure Hayward will too.

The Celtics are 6th in the NBA for three point %.

These last two games they are 11 for 58 from three.

This team must score three point shots to beat anyone and they aren't.

Blaming things beyond "not hitting shots" is fine, but, until they do we can fire and trade everybody...won't make any difference.

[KGBirdBias]

Brown should start.

Hayward is killing us right now. In the last 10 games, I would start Hayward and sit some starters. This will make him the feature player and give him a chance to get right. He's trash right now.

Once playoff position will not change, let Hayward get 30 mins and majority of the shots. If he doesn't show much, take him out the rotation for playoffs.

LOL

Hayward had the highest plus and minus on the team last night.

Here we go with the analytics again. Stop paying attention to that...its a deceiving stat.

He played 27 mins, 1-3 FG, 4 rebs and 3 assts.

Now are you saying that's impactful? Cmon, he did nothing.

Now go check out Brown.

[td450]

Here's what its time for. Some common sense.

Portland starts two 6'2 players with fairly light builds who are killer scorers. The most reliable offensive skill Marcus has is his post skills. Brown is probably the most imposing athlete in the league at the two spot. We got back into this game in the third quarter when Brown scored 6 straight on two post-ups and a runner inside the lane.  Marcus also muscled in a post up.

After that little run, we didn't post up their guards again. Brown plays 30 minutes but takes only 9 shots. Kyrie comes back in, and I guess the plan is for Brown to stand where he can pull his man as far away from the offense as possible. This team simply has no sense of how to exploit matchup advantages.

[Greengang5]

Brown should start.

Hayward is killing us right now. In the last 10 games, I would start Hayward and sit some starters. This will make him the feature player and give him a chance to get right. He's trash right now.

Once playoff position will not change, let Hayward get 30 mins and majority of the shots. If he doesn't show much, take him out the rotation for playoffs.

LOL

Hayward had the highest plus and minus on the team last night.

Here we go with the analytics again. Stop paying attention to that...its a deceiving stat.

He played 27 mins, 1-3 FG, 4 rebs and 3 assts.

Now are you saying that's impactful? Cmon, he did nothing.

Now go check out Brown.

+- is a misleading stat but usage and net rating are not. 

[Jiri Welsch]

I agree that it’s time to go back to the original starters. Brad clearly recognizes this because he’s now playing Irving-Brown-Tatum-Hayward and Theis all together. Maybe he can just nut up and play the starters and see what happens.

[celts55]

Here's what its time for. Some common sense.

Portland starts two 6'2 players with fairly light builds who are killer scorers. The most reliable offensive skill Marcus has is his post skills. Brown is probably the most imposing athlete in the league at the two spot. We got back into this game in the third quarter when Brown scored 6 straight on two post-ups and a runner inside the lane.  Marcus also muscled in a post up.

After that little run, we didn't post up their guards again. Brown plays 30 minutes but takes only 9 shots. Kyrie comes back in, and I guess the plan is for Brown to stand where he can pull his man as far away from the offense as possible. This team simply has no sense of how to exploit matchup advantages.

Thank you. That's what I've been saying. They simply do not stay with what's working. They are in love with the 3 and that's their game. Does not matter that easy points in the paint are there, they always go back to chucking up 3's.

Makes me crazy

[Greengang5]

I agree that it’s time to go back to the original starters. Brad clearly recognizes this because he’s now playing Irving-Brown-Tatum-Hayward and Theis all together. Maybe he can just nut up and play the starters and see what happens.

The Horford-Irving-Hayward-Tatum-Brown lineup played 3 minutes together against Portland.  Their net rating was 20.8.  Our current starters played 14 minutes together and they were -45 net rating.  The best lineup last night based on net rating was Horford-Hayward-Morris-Smart-Irving at 60 over 3 minutes.  At 7 minutes the lineup of A. Horford, G. Hayward, M. Morris, M. Smart, J. Brown was +37.5. 

[KGBirdBias]

Here's what its time for. Some common sense.

Portland starts two 6'2 players with fairly light builds who are killer scorers. The most reliable offensive skill Marcus has is his post skills. Brown is probably the most imposing athlete in the league at the two spot. We got back into this game in the third quarter when Brown scored 6 straight on two post-ups and a runner inside the lane.  Marcus also muscled in a post up.

After that little run, we didn't post up their guards again. Brown plays 30 minutes but takes only 9 shots. Kyrie comes back in, and I guess the plan is for Brown to stand where he can pull his man as far away from the offense as possible. This team simply has no sense of how to exploit matchup advantages.

Thank you. That's what I've been saying. They simply do not stay with what's working. They are in love with the 3 and that's their game. Does not matter that easy points in the paint are there, they always go back to chucking up 3's.

Makes me crazy

Totally agree. It happens every game. It s like Stevens have a feel from possession to possession.

[Greengang5]

Brown should start.

Hayward is killing us right now. In the last 10 games, I would start Hayward and sit some starters. This will make him the feature player and give him a chance to get right. He's trash right now.

Once playoff position will not change, let Hayward get 30 mins and majority of the shots. If he doesn't show much, take him out the rotation for playoffs.

LOL

Hayward had the highest plus and minus on the team last night.

Im curious to know how many minutes he played alongside Morris, must not have been much.

15 minutes together and tied for the 2nd best net rating for 2 person lineup (net 23.2).  Tops was Al and Hayward 17 minutes and 25.8 net rating. Other second was Smart and Hayward (23.2).

[LilRip]

We have a bunch of wings talented enough to start. Problem is, who’s gonna rebound? Definitely not Tatum. Guy can’t box out to save his life.

We got killed on the boards by the Blazers