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Re: Stevens should be on the hot seat
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2019, 10:49:31 PM »

Offline celtics4ever33

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Ahhh!!! Let's act like the Cavs and fire coaches every year. Let's throw caution to the wind and continuity in the garbage.

Who can this angry mob take their malice out on? We haven't started threads on the baby-faced guy in the suitcoat in a while. How about him!

I mean, if you want to bury your head in the sand and pretend everything is hunky dory, go ahead.

This isn't some half cocked knee-jerk reaction to a single bad game.  This team has clearly developed a habit of playing lazy basketball when they have a lead, and especially against inferior opponents.  That's the hallmark of a coach whom the players aren't listening to anymore.

Why can't it be the hallmark of bad managament?

Who didnt see this coming, team full of the same type of players, along with the addition of two stars who the Celtics got to game 7 without.

The team is a mess, no way no how they go out there with the mentality of TEAM, too much on the line for these guys individualy, contract, upcoming contract, too much.

This year is going to be a waste because they just will not be focused enough.

Re: Stevens should be on the hot seat
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2019, 10:49:38 PM »

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Ahhh!!! Let's act like the Cavs and fire coaches every year. Let's throw caution to the wind and continuity in the garbage.

Who can this angry mob take their malice out on? We haven't started threads on the baby-faced guy in the suitcoat in a while. How about him!

I mean, if you want to bury your head in the sand and pretend everything is hunky dory, go ahead.

This isn't some half cocked knee-jerk reaction to a single bad game.  This team has clearly developed a habit of playing lazy basketball when they have a lead, and especially against inferior opponents.  That's the hallmark of a coach whom the players aren't listening to anymore.

or its just a bad mix of players in the locker room.  thats on ainge.  he needed to change the chemistry and didnt do it because he has no pressure on him to win now.

Re: Stevens should be on the hot seat
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2019, 10:55:41 PM »

Offline MaxAMillion

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The Stevens supporters won't like this. When the team wins he is a great coach and when they lose it is the players fault. it is a good gig to have where the head coach is not responsible for the crappy play of his team.

Re: Stevens should be on the hot seat
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2019, 10:57:48 PM »

Offline Chris22

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Irving got injured.

It's all Brad's fault.

Re: Stevens should be on the hot seat
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2019, 10:59:32 PM »

Offline KGBirdBias

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Ahhh!!! Let's act like the Cavs and fire coaches every year. Let's throw caution to the wind and continuity in the garbage.

Who can this angry mob take their malice out on? We haven't started threads on the baby-faced guy in the suitcoat in a while. How about him!

I mean, if you want to bury your head in the sand and pretend everything is hunky dory, go ahead.

This isn't some half cocked knee-jerk reaction to a single bad game.  This team has clearly developed a habit of playing lazy basketball when they have a lead, and especially against inferior opponents.  That's the hallmark of a coach whom the players aren't listening to anymore.

or its just a bad mix of players in the locker room.  thats on ainge.  he needed to change the chemistry and didnt do it because he has no pressure on him to win now.

No, no, no. This is on Stevens sorry. Get a tech, get thrown out something to create a spark when you see the lead being lost.

Re: Stevens should be on the hot seat
« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2019, 11:04:10 PM »

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Inexcusable. The effort isn't there. The scheme isn't there. In-game adjustments are high school. Stevens is getting outcoached because he has script rotations.

TP. This is literally spot-on. To break this down even further:

1) The coaching staff has been unable to keep the guys motivated to play a game for a full 48 minutes with energy. That's CLEARLY a coaching issue, as that's a failure to manage the talent.

2) The offensive gameplan is terrible and WAY too jumpshot-oriented. But the what exacerbates this issue is the fact that Brad has not instilled any discipline within the lineup, meaning players fall back on bad habits of jacking up shots and hero ball with impunity. From a defensive standpoint, there are less issues, though I still hate this "switch everything" defense, even when the offense doesn't force the switch. That is just a "gimme" to modern NBA offenses.

3) The in-game adjustments are probably the most frustrating. Brad either sticks to a set rotation without deviation, regardless of who is or isn't playing well, or he gets too cute with it and makes strange substitutions that make no sense. And I'm not even going to get into his complete refusal to deviate from a gameplan or call appropriately-timed timeouts to stop runs.

It should be clear to anyone by now that the coaching staff is a major reason for our failures this season thus far. They are underwhelming in virtually every sense of the word. I'm not sure what the appropriate answer is to this issue, but Brad should be feeling some heat from Brad regarding his inability to reach this team. But, honestly, I don't think he's the long-term answer for this team, as I don't think he has the character to make the tough decisions that need to be made in games. And as smart as he clearly is in preparations for games, he's just not a good in-game coach with his decision-making.
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Re: Stevens should be on the hot seat
« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2019, 11:06:43 PM »

Offline jpotter33

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Ahhh!!! Let's act like the Cavs and fire coaches every year. Let's throw caution to the wind and continuity in the garbage.

Who can this angry mob take their malice out on? We haven't started threads on the baby-faced guy in the suitcoat in a while. How about him!

I mean, you act like this is a single time occurrence. But for most of us, this has been a constant focus of criticism throughout the season, as he's consistently failed his coaching duties all season long, as exhibited by the on-court product.

At some point, you have to stop giving him the benefit of the doubt and point the finger at him, as all of these issues are stemming from him not fulfilling his obligations as the head coach (though I think the entire coaching staff is the problem, not just Brad).
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Re: Stevens should be on the hot seat
« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2019, 11:06:56 PM »

Offline celtics4ever33

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Inexcusable. The effort isn't there. The scheme isn't there. In-game adjustments are high school. Stevens is getting outcoached because he has script rotations.

TP. This is literally spot-on. To break this down even further:

1) The coaching staff has been unable to keep the guys motivated to play a game for a full 48 minutes with energy. That's CLEARLY a coaching issue, as that's a failure to manage the talent.

2) The offensive gameplan is terrible and WAY too jumpshot-oriented. But the what exacerbates this issue is the fact that Brad has not instilled any discipline within the lineup, meaning players fall back on bad habits of jacking up shots and hero ball with impunity. From a defensive standpoint, there are less issues, though I still hate this "switch everything" defense, even when the offense doesn't force the switch. That is just a "gimme" to modern NBA offenses.

3) The in-game adjustments are probably the most frustrating. Brad either sticks to a set rotation without deviation, regardless of who is or isn't playing well, or he gets too cute with it and makes strange substitutions that make no sense. And I'm not even going to get into his complete refusal to deviate from a gameplan or call appropriately-timed timeouts to stop runs.

It should be clear to anyone by now that the coaching staff is a major reason for our failures this season thus far. They are underwhelming in virtually every sense of the word. I'm not sure what the appropriate answer is to this issue, but Brad should be feeling some heat from Brad regarding his inability to reach this team. But, honestly, I don't think he's the long-term answer for this team, as I don't think he has the character to make the tough decisions that need to be made in games. And as smart as he clearly is in preparations for games, he's just not a good in-game coach with his decision-making.

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Re: Stevens should be on the hot seat
« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2019, 11:17:35 PM »

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Guys, this clearly isn't a coaching problem....

https://twitter.com/JaredWeissNBA/status/1094443027265916928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1094443027265916928&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fboston-celtics

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Brad Stevens asked why he didn’t call a timeout during the Clippers run and admitted he maybe should have called one and is going to reflect back on it.

Even though he's been struggling with this issue since his first ever NBA game.

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/1094442698591911937?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1094442698591911937&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fboston-celtics

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Brad Stevens said he likes to let the Celtics play through rough spells and save his timeouts. Said maybe he should have taken another one tonight during the third.

I.e. Brad is effectively useless at in-game management, so he "lets the players work it out" themselves. Clearly a great gameplan this year thus far, Brad!

https://twitter.com/JaredWeissNBA/status/1094443454803968001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1094443454803968001&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fboston-celtics

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Terry Rozier: “We got out of our game plan and it was history from there.”

Hmm, and I wonder why they don't continue to follow the gameplan - perhaps because they're not disciplined due to the coaches not holding them accountable?  ::)
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Re: Stevens should be on the hot seat
« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2019, 11:22:23 PM »

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Phil Jackson let his guys work things out

When Jordon Crawford was starting for us, Stevens called it tight.

Kyrie, Hayward, Tatum and Brown have to figure things out. They need to get used to being leaders.

Re: Stevens should be on the hot seat
« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2019, 11:23:41 PM »

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Jpotter33 is spot on in his points...especially #2.

When you switch everything on defense it makes you lazy. When you know you're in man to man, you have to fight so your guy doesn't get 30.  I would constantly switch it up every so often so no one gets comfortable.

A wounded dog will fight. I bet we win Tuesday. Steven's needs to bench anyone who doesn't play hard and stick to the principles...no hero ball.


Re: Stevens should be on the hot seat
« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2019, 11:24:27 PM »

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You guys are crazy if you think this is Coach Stevens fault.

He isn't the one not playing defense or turning the ball over or jacking up stupid shots.

Just because you're up 28 doesn't mean the game is over and you play lackadaisically like it's some pickup game.

Re: Stevens should be on the hot seat
« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2019, 11:24:41 PM »

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https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/1094441913342722049?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1094441913342722049&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fboston-celtics

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Brad Stevens said he needs to look at himself first while evaluating how the Celtics lost 20-point leads in each of the last two games. Said there’s an answer out there and Boston needs to find it.

https://twitter.com/BrianTRobb/status/1094441978153046016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1094441978153046016&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fboston-celtics

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Brad Stevens puts onus on himself first to help solve team's issues: "There's an answer out there and I have to find it."

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Re: Stevens should be on the hot seat
« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2019, 11:27:33 PM »

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You guys are crazy if you think this is Coach Stevens fault.

He isn't the one not playing defense or turning the ball over or jacking up stupid shots.

Just because you're up 28 doesn't mean the game is over and you play lackadaisically like it's some pickup game.

I don't know what games you've been watching all season then. Stevens just literally admitted he was at fault for tonight's loss lol.


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Re: Stevens should be on the hot seat
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2019, 11:29:02 PM »

Offline jpotter33

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You guys are crazy if you think this is Coach Stevens fault.

He isn't the one not playing defense or turning the ball over or jacking up stupid shots.

Just because you're up 28 doesn't mean the game is over and you play lackadaisically like it's some pickup game.


Again - these issues are on the coaching staff. What exactly do you think is the coaching staff's job? Their job is to manage the talent on the team, coordinate the gameplan, and keep their guys consistent and motivated over the course of a long season.

When you say that we're playing lazily and stupidly and are deviating from the gameplan, that's on the coaching staff. The fact that there's no discipline or respect for the gameplan whatsoever is indicative of a team that hasn't bought in to the coaching staff's vision/philosophy and doesn't respect them.
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