Why in the world would Celtics trade all theses assets for AD

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Some folks here - back in 2007 - thought that we gave up too much for KG....

I think we ALL can agree that that turned out for the best.

AD is no KG but he's close.

Get him to BOS and he'll be sipping the Green Koolaid soon enough. And he'll give a glass of it to his Dad.

Danny Ainge did a MASTERFUL job bringing in talent...pieces..that propelled us to Banner 17 and we should've had Banner 18, too - if not for KG's fateful visit to Utah in 08.........

If we end up gutting this team Danny will build it back up.

Even back then, I didn't like any of the players the Celtics sent out for Garnett. Jefferson was the best, but I never was confident he was going to be a high-level player. All the other guys were pretty obviously role players.

I don't feel that way about our current guys. I think Brown and Tatum will both make all-star games in their careers. I think Williams might, but at the very least he will become a high-level defensive center. I think Rozier has a chance to make one too on a different team. I think Hayward will regain form and if he had enough opportunity, will make another all-star game. I think Horford is still high-level contributor on a championship team, and there aren't very many of those.

If we had to give up any of them, I'd argue we'd be giving more than we gave for Garnett.

[wiley]

I assume if Davis really didn’t want to be here long term the Celtics could learn this before losing him for nothing?  Trade him or
Sign and trade him in that unpleasant case...to avoid complete disaster? 

[jambr380]

Some folks here - back in 2007 - thought that we gave up too much for KG....

I think we ALL can agree that that turned out for the best.

AD is no KG but he's close.

Get him to BOS and he'll be sipping the Green Koolaid soon enough. And he'll give a glass of it to his Dad.

Danny Ainge did a MASTERFUL job bringing in talent...pieces..that propelled us to Banner 17 and we should've had Banner 18, too - if not for KG's fateful visit to Utah in 08.........

If we end up gutting this team Danny will build it back up.

I'm not here to argue against a trade - I definitely want AD. But, the reason that trade looks so good in retrospect is because we won a championship the next year and Jefferson never even remotely came close to his potential.

If Tatum goes on to be the 2nd coming of KD and we never win a championship (or worse, AD walks after one season), the situations became far from comparable.

It's why we have Ainge, though - that guy so often hits home runs that you have to roll with his decisions even if they don't see like great ones at the time (to some people).

[nickagneta]

Since Jordan, I think LeBron was the first with the potential to be MVP and Defensive Player of the Year candidate in the same year. Davis is the 2nd, in my opinion and playing in Stevens' system would make Davis a decent bet to pull it off.

Davis is that good and the two-way excellence is only seen every once in a generation or so. That's why you trade so much for Davis. Tatum will never be as good as Davis is right now. He simply doesn't have the defensive ability to be what Davis is. You make that deal every day and twice on Sundays.

[GreenFaith1819]

Some folks here - back in 2007 - thought that we gave up too much for KG....

I think we ALL can agree that that turned out for the best.

AD is no KG but he's close.

Get him to BOS and he'll be sipping the Green Koolaid soon enough. And he'll give a glass of it to his Dad.

Danny Ainge did a MASTERFUL job bringing in talent...pieces..that propelled us to Banner 17 and we should've had Banner 18, too - if not for KG's fateful visit to Utah in 08.........

If we end up gutting this team Danny will build it back up.

Even back then, I didn't like any of the players the Celtics sent out for Garnett. Jefferson was the best, but I never was confident he was going to be a high-level player. All the other guys were pretty obviously role players.

I don't feel that way about our current guys. I think Brown and Tatum will both make all-star games in their careers. I think Williams might, but at the very least he will become a high-level defensive center. I think Rozier has a chance to make one too on a different team. I think Hayward will regain form and if he had enough opportunity, will make another all-star game. I think Horford is still high-level contributor on a championship team, and there aren't very many of those.

If we had to give up any of them, I'd argue we'd be giving more than we gave for Garnett.

The thing with KG was that when we DID get him to BOS he was on the downside of his career...he was what? 31? Still a great player but not in his prime anymore.

AD? Clearly in his prime...and for a few more years, too.

If we have to give up JB, Tatum and some picks then so be it. I have LOVED seeing JB and Tatum in Green but don't lowball NO - especially if they are waiting to exclusively deal with us.

[GreenFaith1819]

Some folks here - back in 2007 - thought that we gave up too much for KG....

I think we ALL can agree that that turned out for the best.

AD is no KG but he's close.

Get him to BOS and he'll be sipping the Green Koolaid soon enough. And he'll give a glass of it to his Dad.

Danny Ainge did a MASTERFUL job bringing in talent...pieces..that propelled us to Banner 17 and we should've had Banner 18, too - if not for KG's fateful visit to Utah in 08.........

If we end up gutting this team Danny will build it back up.

I'm not here to argue against a trade - I definitely want AD. But, the reason that trade looks so good in retrospect is because we won a championship the next year and Jefferson never even remotely came close to his potential.

If Tatum goes on to be the 2nd coming of KD and we never win a championship (or worse, AD walks after one season), the situations became far from comparable.

It's why we have Ainge, though - that guy so often hits home runs that you have to roll with his decisions even if they don't see like great ones at the time (to some people).

Tatum could very well end up being like KD. JB - at times - reminds me of Kawhi.

With that being said both of these talents would probably be best served growing in NOH - where their full arsenal of talents can be on display.

If NOH asks for those two then so be it, IMO. I wouldn't give up Smart and I'd hate to see JB and JT go but that would be a fair haul for NOH, along with some picks.

That would Trump (sorry) ANYTHING that The Lakers can give.

[RodyTur10]

Some folks here - back in 2007 - thought that we gave up too much for KG....

I think we ALL can agree that that turned out for the best.

AD is no KG but he's close.

Get him to BOS and he'll be sipping the Green Koolaid soon enough. And he'll give a glass of it to his Dad.

Danny Ainge did a MASTERFUL job bringing in talent...pieces..that propelled us to Banner 17 and we should've had Banner 18, too - if not for KG's fateful visit to Utah in 08.........

If we end up gutting this team Danny will build it back up.

Even back then, I didn't like any of the players the Celtics sent out for Garnett. Jefferson was the best, but I never was confident he was going to be a high-level player. All the other guys were pretty obviously role players.

I don't feel that way about our current guys. I think Brown and Tatum will both make all-star games in their careers. I think Williams might, but at the very least he will become a high-level defensive center. I think Rozier has a chance to make one too on a different team. I think Hayward will regain form and if he had enough opportunity, will make another all-star game. I think Horford is still high-level contributor on a championship team, and there aren't very many of those.

If we had to give up any of them, I'd argue we'd be giving more than we gave for Garnett.

The thing with KG was that when we DID get him to BOS he was on the downside of his career...he was what? 31? Still a great player but not in his prime anymore.

AD? Clearly in his prime...and for a few more years, too.

If we have to give up JB, Tatum and some picks then so be it. I have LOVED seeing JB and Tatum in Green but don't lowball NO - especially if they are waiting to exclusively deal with us.

But how is giving up Tatum + 2 (likely) lottery picks lowballing?

Tatum is a supertalent.

My rank of biggest talent in the league below 23 years.

1. Doncic
2. Tatum
3. Booker
4. Simmons
5. Mitchell

[GreenFaith1819]

Some folks here - back in 2007 - thought that we gave up too much for KG....

I think we ALL can agree that that turned out for the best.

AD is no KG but he's close.

Get him to BOS and he'll be sipping the Green Koolaid soon enough. And he'll give a glass of it to his Dad.

Danny Ainge did a MASTERFUL job bringing in talent...pieces..that propelled us to Banner 17 and we should've had Banner 18, too - if not for KG's fateful visit to Utah in 08.........

If we end up gutting this team Danny will build it back up.

Even back then, I didn't like any of the players the Celtics sent out for Garnett. Jefferson was the best, but I never was confident he was going to be a high-level player. All the other guys were pretty obviously role players.

I don't feel that way about our current guys. I think Brown and Tatum will both make all-star games in their careers. I think Williams might, but at the very least he will become a high-level defensive center. I think Rozier has a chance to make one too on a different team. I think Hayward will regain form and if he had enough opportunity, will make another all-star game. I think Horford is still high-level contributor on a championship team, and there aren't very many of those.

If we had to give up any of them, I'd argue we'd be giving more than we gave for Garnett.

The thing with KG was that when we DID get him to BOS he was on the downside of his career...he was what? 31? Still a great player but not in his prime anymore.

AD? Clearly in his prime...and for a few more years, too.

If we have to give up JB, Tatum and some picks then so be it. I have LOVED seeing JB and Tatum in Green but don't lowball NO - especially if they are waiting to exclusively deal with us.

But how is giving up Tatum + 2 (likely) lottery picks lowballing?

Tatum is a supertalent.

My rank of biggest talent in the league below 23 years.

1. Doncic
2. Tatum
3. Booker
4. Simmons
5. Mitchell

I'm not impressed at all with Booker's defense. I'd place JB in his slot, easily - or at least at 5.

JB proved his worth in the playoffs last year. He, JT and Rozier clearly carried us, with Smart and Big Al playing big roles as well.

I won't fault JB and Rozier's performance in that Game 7 versus CLE. They proved their worth and potential to me overall.

[Birdman]

Pelicans didnt want to deal Davis to Lakers or any West team...

[TheSundanceKid]

You need to give NO two future talents to get this done, plus the arsenal to add around them. So any trade starts with Tatum + young guy and picks. Probably Memphis pick and some low 1st.

You get an instant equal to Golden State in that deal. And you aren't trading a future because AD and Kyrie are the future, they're both 25!

The difficulty for me is the matching salary. How do you match without giving up too many other key pieces? If you are giving up the young guys you don't want to also give up Smart or Horford and you are banking on Hayward regaining his form long term. So you throw in Baynes and maybe an MLE guy we sign sometime soon..

[SHAQATTACK]

Pelicans didnt want to deal Davis to Lakers or any West team...

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[GreenFaith1819]

I assume if Davis really didn’t want to be here long term the Celtics could learn this before losing him for nothing?  Trade him or
Sign and trade him in that unpleasant case...to avoid complete disaster?

AD would be - IMO - borderline lunatic to not want to remain in BOS, but that's just my take.

If we win Banner 18 and he STILL walks? Then so be it. No need to trade him just let him walk.

He can then go to LA and carry a 35 YO LeBron James on his back and take in the CA sunshine for all I care.

[JBcat]

You need to give NO two future talents to get this done, plus the arsenal to add around them. So any trade starts with Tatum + young guy and picks. Probably Memphis pick and some low 1st.

You get an instant equal to Golden State in that deal. And you aren't trading a future because AD and Kyrie are the future, they're both 25!

The difficulty for me is the matching salary. How do you match without giving up too many other key pieces? If you are giving up the young guys you don't want to also give up Smart or Horford and you are banking on Hayward regaining his form long term. So you throw in Baynes and maybe an MLE guy we sign sometime soon..

Matching salary is the tricky part especially since I believe Davis has a trade kicker which gives it a bump up when trying to match salaries unless he waived it. 

For me the easiet thing is to include Horford and you might be able to take an unwanted salary off NO hands as well, but that’s a dicey situation as Horford needs to opt in.  Horford still has very good value.  He is the anchor of our team, and has been in the playoffs his whole career but he will be 33 next year, and a bit redundant with Davis here.  By himself his trade value maybe yields a couple mid to late first round picks that NO could redirect Horford to a 3rd team.

[spikelovetheCelts]

The Pelican  :(s were stupid. They should of taken the Lakers offer.

The only reason they should have “taken the Lakers offer” is to align with your agenda. It certainly wasn’t in their best interest.

The Pelicans would have to drop half the team. Summer is best time for 5 for 1.

[KGBirdBias]

Ainge is going to shock the world when he circles back on KD. He wouldn't have to part with Brown or Tatum to get KD.

Horford or Hayward in S&T to Warriors.

Kyrie
Smart
Tatum
KD
Baynes or Horford