Do we want Davis for the premium price? (Poll)

[RodyTur10]

If all rumours are correct and they probably aren't  , there's reason to believe that the cost of making a deal for Davis is going to be huge. Here are some speculations that drive up the price:

• The Lakers are in serious negotations with the Pelicans. If it's almost enough is hard to say, but Ball/Ingram/Kuzma + 2 picks and taking on Hill's deal is a decent offer.
• Apparently the Pelicans are asking for 4 first round picks, a superstar talent, other young guys and cap relief.
• The Knicks could be trying to get a big three of Irving/Durant/Davis. If they land a #1 or #2 this summer, they could offer that plus all of their young guys (Knox/Smith/Ntilikina/Robinson) and picks to come up with a godfather offer.

What if that New York pick lands in the top 2/3 at the lottery and they go all out? They need to get rid of almost all of their salary anyway to be able to sign two max free agents, so they could be very willing to trade Knox, Smith, Ntilikina and Robinson. In that case it's not that easy for the Celtics to beat that offer, we have to give up a lot. And are we willing to part with Tatum and Brown + all of our picks? Or are we forced to do that to avoid that Irving is leaving to the Knicks?

Wouldn't it be better if we could avoid going into a bidding war with the Knicks? Don't we rather want the Lakers to trade for Davis right now and give up most of their core? Or should we look at the bright side that there's a 60% chance that the New York pick isn't going to be a top 3 pick and that the Celtics then easily have the best offer for the Pelicans?

I have added a poll to see what your standpoint is. It's difficult to capture all arguments pro and against the proposed question, so if you have another reason or comment to your answer please add it into the discussion  .

[Androslav]

Why do we make an offer 5 months before we can make an offer? It makes no sense.
We make an offer when we can make an offer, that is in the summertime.
Until that time we try to play our best basketball, we sit on our assets and we wait.

[Green-18]

The answer is no if Tatum AND Smart/Brown are included.  Danny's goal should be to have his cake and eat it too, meaning that we need to contend now while maintaining a 5+ year window.  All of this needs to happen without the need to make significant roster changes after an AD trade.  We are likely to see other "Superteams" form in the coming years.  Not to mention that Golden State still has a large window if they stay together. 

[slamtheking]

based on the assumption Davis isn't moved at the deadline, I'm confident we can put together a better package than any other team and still hold on to some of our assets.  At that point, Davis is under contract for only one year and has been portrayed as a serious flight risk for any team that's not LA.   Danny should not be overpaying for a single year of Davis which will not guarantee a title before he potentially leaves the team and our cupboard is bare of assets to improve what's left of the team.

LA's youth isn't as good as our young players.  NO would be fools to accept that pile of mediocrity and some late 1st round picks from the Lakers.
Knicks have lower-quality young players than ours.  Any picks from them would also be late firsts after the trade.  There's really no on in this year's draft that's going to move the needle of that package over what we offer.

Who else is really in a position to make a deal?  no one.  Danny shouldn't shoot himself in the foot by bidding against himself.  We can't make the trade until we resign Kyrie anyway so if he resigns, great, move forward with the trade if the cost is reasonable.  if Kyrie bolts (99% chance he doesn't), then no need to gut the team to get Davis and then wind up as NO-East.

[knuckleballer]

This has probably been spelled out elsewhere, but how do we match salaries by trading Tatum and holding on to Brown and Smart?  I don't know how potential sign and trades with Rozier and Morris work or how much the draft picks count towards salary.

[RLewis35]

Do I think this big an offer is worth it for AD? Probably.  But no one can touch anything remotely close to this offer.  If we make this offer we bid against ourselves and I can tell you Danny isn’t one to do that.

We should keep brown/smart or one or two of the draft picks because no one can touch an offer with those pieces removed either.

We need to make the clear best offer but not by a mile. By a quarter mile.

[apc]

for premium price (anything that included Tatum) i want AD to sign an extension.

[Silky]

I dont think Tatum or Smart should or will be included in a deal.

neither will all of the picks.

LAL is offering garbage, the assets we can offer are better.

In my opinion, a move should be made NOW using Rozier and Morris for a player that can later be moved in a deal for Davis.

Hayward, Morris, Rozier, Yabusele and LAC pick, Boston Pick to  Orlando for Gordon, Vucevic, Simmons

In offseason offer Gordon, Brown, SAC pick, Mem Pick for Davis and Hill.

S&T Vucevic for young bench depth, or keep him to replace Horf in the starting lineup.

Irving
Smart
Tatum
Horf or Davis
Davis or Vucevic

[mef730]

based on the assumption Davis isn't moved at the deadline, I'm confident we can put together a better package than any other team and still hold on to some of our assets.  At that point, Davis is under contract for only one year and has been portrayed as a serious flight risk for any team that's not LA.   Danny should not be overpaying for a single year of Davis which will not guarantee a title before he potentially leaves the team and our cupboard is bare of assets to improve what's left of the team.

LA's youth isn't as good as our young players.  NO would be fools to accept that pile of mediocrity and some late 1st round picks from the Lakers.
Knicks have lower-quality young players than ours.  Any picks from them would also be late firsts after the trade.  There's really no on in this year's draft that's going to move the needle of that package over what we offer.

Who else is really in a position to make a deal?  no one.  Danny shouldn't shoot himself in the foot by bidding against himself.  We can't make the trade until we resign Kyrie anyway so if he resigns, great, move forward with the trade if the cost is reasonable.  if Kyrie bolts (99% chance he doesn't), then no need to gut the team to get Davis and then wind up as NO-East.

If the Knicks end up with the #1 pick, they worry me more than the Lakers do. Kyrie issues aside, NO wants a potential All-NBA player. None of the Lakers' youngs provide for that, but they might view Zion as a possibility. If nothing else, NY at #1 drives up the price.

Mike

[RodyTur10]

I dont think Tatum or Smart should or will be included in a deal.

neither will all of the picks.

LAL is offering garbage, the assets we can offer are better.

In my opinion, a move should be made NOW using Rozier and Morris for a player that can later be moved in a deal for Davis.

Hayward, Morris, Rozier, Yabusele and LAC pick, Boston Pick to  Orlando for Gordon, Vucevic, Simmons

In offseason offer Gordon, Brown, SAC pick, Mem Pick for Davis and Hill.

S&T Vucevic for young bench depth, or keep him to replace Horf in the starting lineup.

Irving
Smart
Tatum
Horf or Davis
Davis or Vucevic

I'm with you on making a move now. Rozier is a valuable player, and at the same time he can't be used in a (S+T) deal for Davis (unless New Orleans adds players) and I don't want to resign Rozier.

Trade Rozier/Yabusele and maybe even Morris and get a good player that's ideal salary filler. One way or another it seems that Orlando is the ideal team to provide that type of player(s).

However I think the market for Hayward is really bad. Orlando isn't going to give up Aaron Gordon for him and pieces. And if New York lands a top 3 pick, don't you think that New Orleans is interested in listening to that?

And I'm about as big on Brown as that I am on Tatum. And on a team with superscorers like Irving and Davis, I'd rather keep the defensively better Jaylen Brown as a fit on the wing, so I have no problem giving up Tatum as long as we keep Irving/Smart/Brown.

[Silky]

I dont think Tatum or Smart should or will be included in a deal.

neither will all of the picks.

LAL is offering garbage, the assets we can offer are better.

In my opinion, a move should be made NOW using Rozier and Morris for a player that can later be moved in a deal for Davis.

Hayward, Morris, Rozier, Yabusele and LAC pick, Boston Pick to  Orlando for Gordon, Vucevic, Simmons

In offseason offer Gordon, Brown, SAC pick, Mem Pick for Davis and Hill.

S&T Vucevic for young bench depth, or keep him to replace Horf in the starting lineup.

Irving
Smart
Tatum
Horf or Davis
Davis or Vucevic

I'm with you on making a move now. Rozier is a valuable player, and at the same time he can't be used in a (S+T) deal for Davis (unless New Orleans adds players) and I don't want to resign Rozier.

Trade Rozier/Yabusele and maybe even Morris and get a good player that's ideal salary filler. One way or another it seems that Orlando is the ideal team to provide that type of player(s).

However I think the market for Hayward is really bad. Orlando isn't going to give up Aaron Gordon for him and pieces. And if New York lands a top 3 pick, don't you think that New Orleans is interested in listening to that?

And I'm about as big on Brown as that I am on Tatum. And on a team with superscorers like Irving and Davis, I'd rather keep the defensively better Jaylen Brown as a fit on the wing, so I have no problem giving up Tatum as long as we keep Irving/Smart/Brown.

I think Weltman would listen on a gordon for gordon deal as it nets them an "all star" who they can rest alot this season, the lose alot of game for rest of season(vastly improve their own pick) and nab 2 more first round picks.

Next year Orlando would have rozier/fournier/hayward/isaac/bamba, a top 5 pick, a top 15 pick and a late first

That immediately puta their franchise in a new direction.

If Hayward doeant return to form next season they will only have 1 more year on him.

[td450]

This isn't that complicated. We include Tatum, probably Smart and some picks, or we don't get Davis. Tatum is the piece that gets this done. I see no way to finesse this otherwise, either now or later. Perhaps you could make an argument that we might get very lucky with the Sac pick, but that's a long shot.

I would think doing this now would be better. What benefit is there to waiting? It would be foolish to include Kyrie because that would lessen our chances at keeping AD, and we'd have a legit shot at a title this year. The #1 pick might become a threat later.

Once Kyrie and AD are on the same team (with lots of supporting pieces), they won't leave.

[Silky]

This isn't that complicated. We include Tatum, probably Smart and some picks, or we don't get Davis. Tatum is the piece that gets this done. I see no way to finesse this otherwise, either now or later. Perhaps you could make an argument that we might get very lucky with the Sac pick, but that's a long shot.

I would think doing this now would be better. What benefit is there to waiting? It would be foolish to include Kyrie because that would lessen our chances at keeping AD, and we'd have a legit shot at a title this year. The #1 pick might become a threat later.

Once Kyrie and AD are on the same team (with lots of supporting pieces), they won't leave.

If tatum and smart are the price then no deal

Trading 2 guys who are constantly improving, are younger, with less mileage, who are more durable, and who combined are putting up numbers comparable to what Davis is putting up on a crappy team.

No dice, no deal.

IMO Brown/Rozier/Williams/Hayward/picks.

those are the options.

[footey]

Great poll question. TP.

I voted yes, although would be nice to know Danny talks to AD before pulling trigger to gauge his interest in winning multiple championships in Boston.

 Maybe make it a conf call with Bill Russell, Tom Brady and KG.

[Csfan1984]

It depends on the total package. If they ask for Tatum and Horford and nothing else I'm not turning down that trade if I get an extension done. If it's Brown, three first and Hayward I'm not turning that deal down regardless. If it's Brown, Smart, Yab and Tatum I would pass. So all depends