Barkley: Adam Silver should Veto any Davis trade to the Lakers

[CelticsElite]

https://twitter.com/nbaontnt/status/1091131709565751297?s=21

Gotta agree with chuck here

[SparzWizard]

NBA vetoing a New Orleans-Los Angeles deal again? Might not look good for the league if this is the same two teams getting blocked lol. Lakers fans will be mad.

[JSD]

NBA vetoing a New Orleans-Los Angeles deal again? Might not look good for the league if this is the same two teams getting blocked lol. Lakers fans will be mad.

NBA did NOT veto that trade. Stern, acting as NO's owner, vetoed the trade. Not the same situation here, NBA no longer owns the Pelicans like back then.

"So, the answer is: there was never a trade. It was never approved by me as the owner rep.”

https://www.si.com/nba/2016/12/08/chris-paul-lakers-rockets-trade-david-stern-explains

[CelticsElite]

NBA vetoing a New Orleans-Los Angeles deal again? Might not look good for the league if this is the same two teams getting blocked lol. Lakers fans will be mad.

haha true

Before someone comes with their revisionist history: stern did veto the cp3 to Lakers trade as commissioner and not acting as the owner of the team. An article said he acted on behalf of other owners who felt it was a lopsided anticompetitive trade

[CelticsElite]

NBA vetoing a New Orleans-Los Angeles deal again? Might not look good for the league if this is the same two teams getting blocked lol. Lakers fans will be mad.

NBA did NOT veto that trade. Stern, acting as NO's owner, vetoed the trade. Not the same situation here, NBA no longer owns the Pelicans like back then.

"So, the answer is: there was never a trade. It was never approved by me as the owner rep.”

https://www.si.com/nba/2016/12/08/chris-paul-lakers-rockets-trade-david-stern-explains

Stern was said to be acting on behalf of some of the other owners, who were upset to see the Hornets send Paul — a premier point guard — to the Lakers, who have won five championships since 2000. Competitive reasons aside, some team executives speculated that the league was concerned that the Hornets’ resale value would plummet without Paul on the roster


Its pretty obvious stern vetoed it and then comes out years later to clean up the image of the trade by claiming he acted as owner rather than commissioner. A commissioner vetoing a trade paints the picture of a dysfunctional league.. No commissioner wants that

Why did it take him 5 years to come clean about it?

[JSD]

NBA vetoing a New Orleans-Los Angeles deal again? Might not look good for the league if this is the same two teams getting blocked lol. Lakers fans will be mad.

NBA did NOT veto that trade. Stern, acting as NO's owner, vetoed the trade. Not the same situation here, NBA no longer owns the Pelicans like back then.

"So, the answer is: there was never a trade. It was never approved by me as the owner rep.”

https://www.si.com/nba/2016/12/08/chris-paul-lakers-rockets-trade-david-stern-explains

Stern was said to be acting on behalf of some of the other owners, who were upset to see the Hornets send Paul — a premier point guard — to the Lakers, who have won five championships since 2000. Competitive reasons aside, some team executives speculated that the league was concerned that the Hornets’ resale value would plummet without Paul on the roster


Its pretty obvious stern vetoed it and then comes out years later to clean up the image of the trade by claiming he acted as owner rather than commissioner. A commissioner vetoing a trade paints the picture of a dysfunctional league.. No commissioner wants that

Why did it take him 5 years to come clean about it?

Trade was awful for NO... They would have been taking on big long term contracts with no draft picks while giving up the best player. Demps should have been fired on the spot for attempting to make that trade. Especially as the league was looking for a buyer for NO. 2011 was a different time economically. Trade made absolutely no sense for NO.

Anyone paying attention at the time knew he was acting as the owner when he did that. It wasn't a big secret. But the truth gets less clicks, you have to dig for it.

[CelticsElite]

NBA vetoing a New Orleans-Los Angeles deal again? Might not look good for the league if this is the same two teams getting blocked lol. Lakers fans will be mad.

NBA did NOT veto that trade. Stern, acting as NO's owner, vetoed the trade. Not the same situation here, NBA no longer owns the Pelicans like back then.

"So, the answer is: there was never a trade. It was never approved by me as the owner rep.”

https://www.si.com/nba/2016/12/08/chris-paul-lakers-rockets-trade-david-stern-explains

Stern was said to be acting on behalf of some of the other owners, who were upset to see the Hornets send Paul — a premier point guard — to the Lakers, who have won five championships since 2000. Competitive reasons aside, some team executives speculated that the league was concerned that the Hornets’ resale value would plummet without Paul on the roster


Its pretty obvious stern vetoed it and then comes out years later to clean up the image of the trade by claiming he acted as owner rather than commissioner. A commissioner vetoing a trade paints the picture of a dysfunctional league.. No commissioner wants that

Why did it take him 5 years to come clean about it?

Trade was awful for NO... They would have been taking on big long term contracts with no draft picks while giving up the best player. Demps should have been fired on the spot for attempting to make that trade. Especially as the league was looking for a buyer for NO. 2011 was a different time economically. Trade made absolutely no sense for NO.

Anyone paying attention at the time knew he was acting as the owner when he did that. It wasn't a big secret. But the truth gets less clicks, you have to dig for it.

the new york times, the most reputable need source on the planet, said he was acting as commissioner

That has to count for something right

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/09/sports/basketball/paul-set-to-join-lakers-as-part-of-3-team-deal.html

New york is where the NBA is HQed so it is def someone with connections

[JSD]

I keep reading this garbage that the NBA "vetoing" a trade is "unprecedented" ... That's because the media refuses to represent this story accurately. 

Dell Demps didn't have full authority to make trades.  He merely has the ability to come up with trades and then present these proposals to his ownership group for approval.  He liked this Laker trade... his ownership group (the NBA) didn't. 

Had this trade gone down the Hornets would be on the hook for the following players:

Emeka Okafor = 12 mil + 2 years
Trevor Ariza = 6.8 mil + 2 years
Jarret Jack = 5.2 mil + 1 year
Marco Belinelli = 3.4 mil
Quincy Pondexter = 1.1 mil
Lamar Odom = 8.9 mil
Luis Scola = 8.6 mil + 3  years
Kevin Martin = 12 mil + 1 year
Goran Dragic = 2.1 mil


That's 9 players and 60 million of salary already (over the salary cap).  That's a lot of money to commit to a lottery team.  It's very important to note that the NBA is attempting to sell the Hornets.  Saddling the prospective new Hornet owners with all that additional cost isn't going to improve their ability to sell the team.  So apparently Dell Demps is horrible at his job... and the Hornets ownership (and the 29 other NBA owners who hold a share of the Hornets and have to foot the bill for this team and any potential losses) rejected the trade for what is seemingly financial reasons. 

Let me pause to reiterate that fact. The Hornets have been unprofitable for years... losing anywhere from 7-18 million dollars a year.  In what world does losing Chris Paul and adding an additional 16 million per year in salary make good business sense for the 29 other NBA owners who have to take a hit on this investment?

http://www.atthehive.com/2010/12/7/1862259/the-hornets-financial-statements-the-hornets-have-been-unprofitable

I was trying to think of a precedent for this.  Here's one.

2001-2002:  Boston Celtics make it to the Eastern Conference Finals.  Key players on that team were Pierce, Walker, Rodney Rodgers and Kenny Anderson.  You might remember that mid-season our GM (Chris Wallace) traded our #10 pick (Joe JOhnson) for Rodney Rogers.  Rogers, you might remember, was a solid player.  We sacrificed a key part of our future for him. 

In the offseason, it made perfectly logical sense that we'd re-sign Rodney Rogers.  Rogers wanted to sign here.  CHris Wallace wanted to sign him.  Remember, we gave up Joe Johnson so we could have Rodney Rogers for 27 games and a playoff push... obviously we NEEDED to sign this guy. 

Unfortunately... Paul Gaston, our owner, was in the process of trying to sell the team and was brutally adamant against exceeding the luxury tax.   The GM, Chris Wallace, wanted to sign Rodgers.  Ownership vetoed it.  Paul Gaston apparently felt that having a luxury tax team would be an unnecessary financial burden and would make the team less attractive to potential buyers.  This was despite the fact that re-signing Rodney Rogers was the obvious best move at the time.   There's your precedent.  Long story short, Wallace scrambled to find a "3rd scorer" and gave up Kenny Anderson (and Vitaly Potapenko) for an alcoholic (Vin Baker) while staying under the luxury tax... the team was sold in 2003. 

What's the difference here?  The Hornets ownership is acting like Paul Gaston here.  They see the price tag on these players and feel it's not worth the financial burden and would make the team less attractive to potential buyers.  The NBA "Vetoing" this trade is no different than Paul Gaston "vetoing" the Rodney Rogers re-signing, imo.   

The media keeps spinning it like the NBA meddled in the affairs of the Hornets and it's blatantly untrue.  Demps came up with a trade that arguably made the most "talent" sense  (same as Chris Wallace wanting to re-sign Rodgers), but sometimes that conflicts with the business motives of ownership.

BTW I'm sure there are COUNTLESS other examples of an ownership group refusing to approve a trade their GM has tentatively agreed to.  Unfortunately the media reported this Laker/hornet trade before it was even presented to the Hornets ownership... and now they are milking this story for drama, ratings and controversy

Yeah, well the NYT was a joke then too, I guess.  Dead wrong. Forum posters here got it right, why couldn't the NYT? You're better off getting your basketball news here than some overhyped legacy media news outlet, especially when it comes to basketball.

[droopdog7]

NBA vetoing a New Orleans-Los Angeles deal again? Might not look good for the league if this is the same two teams getting blocked lol. Lakers fans will be mad.

NBA did NOT veto that trade. Stern, acting as NO's owner, vetoed the trade. Not the same situation here, NBA no longer owns the Pelicans like back then.

"So, the answer is: there was never a trade. It was never approved by me as the owner rep.”

https://www.si.com/nba/2016/12/08/chris-paul-lakers-rockets-trade-david-stern-explains

Stern was said to be acting on behalf of some of the other owners, who were upset to see the Hornets send Paul — a premier point guard — to the Lakers, who have won five championships since 2000. Competitive reasons aside, some team executives speculated that the league was concerned that the Hornets’ resale value would plummet without Paul on the roster


Its pretty obvious stern vetoed it and then comes out years later to clean up the image of the trade by claiming he acted as owner rather than commissioner. A commissioner vetoing a trade paints the picture of a dysfunctional league.. No commissioner wants that

Why did it take him 5 years to come clean about it?

Trade was awful for NO... They would have been taking on big long term contracts with no draft picks while giving up the best player. Demps should have been fired on the spot for attempting to make that trade. Especially as the league was looking for a buyer for NO. 2011 was a different time economically. Trade made absolutely no sense for NO.

Anyone paying attention at the time knew he was acting as the owner when he did that. It wasn't a big secret. But the truth gets less clicks, you have to dig for it.

the new york times, the most reputable need source on the planet, said he was acting as commissioner

That has to count for something right

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/09/sports/basketball/paul-set-to-join-lakers-as-part-of-3-team-deal.html

New york is where the NBA is HQed so it is def someone with connections

Is there any question that stern vetoed the trade as owner of the pelicans?  I don’t think there is.  Now, we’re there people in his ear and possibly other motives?  Maybe, but the only reason a veto was even possible (in real terms) is the fact that the nba owned the team.

[Ogaju]

NBA vetoing a New Orleans-Los Angeles deal again? Might not look good for the league if this is the same two teams getting blocked lol. Lakers fans will be mad.

haha true

Before someone comes with their revisionist history: stern did veto the cp3 to Lakers trade as commissioner and not acting as the owner of the team. An article said he acted on behalf of other owners who felt it was a lopsided anticompetitive trade

Correct analysis wrong conclusion because at that time the NBA owned the NO team therefore Stern was acting as owner, not as commissioner. The consideration was what was in the best interest of NO and not the Lakers or the league for that matter. It was all about NO.

[Birdman]

Whatever Lebron wants, he will get

[Celtics4ever]

Whatever Lebron wants, he will get

That may have been true at one time, but is he truly the top dog right now?   I don't think so, he is starting to show his age, and the slow decline is coming.

[mctyson]

Whatever Lebron wants, he will get

Pelicans control the situation, and Davis is under contract for next year.  Nice try Rich Paul...not happening before Feb 7th to the Lakers.

[timpiker]

https://twitter.com/nbaontnt/status/1091131709565751297?s=21

Gotta agree with chuck here

I totally agree with Chuck, which is unusual - F the Fakers, F LeBUM and that POS Rich Paul

[CelticsElite]

First time in a while I agree with chuck