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Report: Celtics Young Players Frustrated with Hayward's Minutes
« on: January 30, 2019, 03:21:04 PM »

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Younger players on the Boston Celtics have reportedly grown frustrated with the number of minutes All-Star Gordon Hayward plays on a nightly basis, according to ESPN’s Tim Bontemps.

That status is precisely why, despite the many ups and downs his season has gone through so far, the Celtics continue to run Hayward out there for significant minutes on a nightly basis. That decision, at times, has frustrated the younger members of the team, who see Hayward as an impediment to the roles they grew accustomed to.

Boston and Hayward haven’t exactly gotten off to the best start this season. The Celtics are currently the fifth seed in the Eastern Conference with a 31-19 overall record. Not exactly where the team expected to be after making an Eastern Conference Finals appearance last year.

With Kyrie Irving and Hayward both coming back at the start of the season, the Celtics looked primed to take the East by storm. Irving who has been vocal about the team’s struggles of late has lived up to the expectations. Since his return after missing last year’s playoffs, Irving is averaging 23.7 points, 4.8 rebounds and 6.9 assists on 49.9 shooting from the field.

Hayward, on the other hand, hasn’t exactly lived up to his contract since returning. When the forward is on the floor for the Celtics, the team has a 3.4 net rating when he’s on the bench their net rating jumps to 10.0.

A few weeks ago, Celtics guard Terry Rozier told Yahoo Sports that his teammates haven’t ‘been on a team like this,’ saying the team is ‘too talented.’

“I don’t think we’ve all been on a team like this,” Rozier told Yahoo. “Young guys who can play, guys who did things in their career, the group that was together last year, then you bring Kyrie and Hayward back, it’s a lot with it.”

This season Hayward is averaging 10.8 points, 4.6 rebounds and 3.4 assists on 31.7 percent shooting from the three-point line. Not quite the player the Celtics expected when signing him to a four-year, $127.8 deal.

When asked about his struggles, Gordon Hayward told ESPN the following.
 
“I think with each month I feel more comfortable,” Hayward told ESPN last week. “Sometimes, I need to remind myself it’s good to even be out there, and to try to find the joy in just playing, [and] not get frustrated if things aren’t going exactly how I want them to.”

Interesting, even if not really surprising. This is likely Rozier and Brown who are most disgruntled about this, as they seem to be the most affected by Hayward's minutes.

I mean, not much to do about it, though. If we ever want Hayward to get back to normal, he's going to need actual game reps, even at the expense of some of our young guys' minutes.

EDIT: Also, Bontemps covers the Celtics regularly now, so he's seemingly tapped into the team and locker room.
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Re: Report: Celtics Young Players Frustrated with Hayward's Minutes
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2019, 03:23:21 PM »

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been reading this kinda stuff on the net a while , even Steven A mentioned it months a go.   

Re: Report: Celtics Young Players Frustrated with Hayward's Minutes
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2019, 03:24:15 PM »

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Younger players on the Boston Celtics have reportedly grown frustrated with the number of minutes All-Star Gordon Hayward plays on a nightly basis, according to ESPN’s Tim Bontemps.

That status is precisely why, despite the many ups and downs his season has gone through so far, the Celtics continue to run Hayward out there for significant minutes on a nightly basis. That decision, at times, has frustrated the younger members of the team, who see Hayward as an impediment to the roles they grew accustomed to.

Boston and Hayward haven’t exactly gotten off to the best start this season. The Celtics are currently the fifth seed in the Eastern Conference with a 31-19 overall record. Not exactly where the team expected to be after making an Eastern Conference Finals appearance last year.

With Kyrie Irving and Hayward both coming back at the start of the season, the Celtics looked primed to take the East by storm. Irving who has been vocal about the team’s struggles of late has lived up to the expectations. Since his return after missing last year’s playoffs, Irving is averaging 23.7 points, 4.8 rebounds and 6.9 assists on 49.9 shooting from the field.

Hayward, on the other hand, hasn’t exactly lived up to his contract since returning. When the forward is on the floor for the Celtics, the team has a 3.4 net rating when he’s on the bench their net rating jumps to 10.0.

A few weeks ago, Celtics guard Terry Rozier told Yahoo Sports that his teammates haven’t ‘been on a team like this,’ saying the team is ‘too talented.’

“I don’t think we’ve all been on a team like this,” Rozier told Yahoo. “Young guys who can play, guys who did things in their career, the group that was together last year, then you bring Kyrie and Hayward back, it’s a lot with it.”

This season Hayward is averaging 10.8 points, 4.6 rebounds and 3.4 assists on 31.7 percent shooting from the three-point line. Not quite the player the Celtics expected when signing him to a four-year, $127.8 deal.

When asked about his struggles, Gordon Hayward told ESPN the following.
 
“I think with each month I feel more comfortable,” Hayward told ESPN last week. “Sometimes, I need to remind myself it’s good to even be out there, and to try to find the joy in just playing, [and] not get frustrated if things aren’t going exactly how I want them to.”

Interesting, even if not really surprising. This is likely Rozier and Brown who are most disgruntled about this, as they seem to be the most affected by Hayward's minutes.

I mean, not much to do about it, though. If we ever want Hayward to get back to normal, he's going to need actual game reps, even at the expense of some of our young guys' minutes.

EDIT: Also, Bontemps covers the Celtics regularly now, so he's seemingly tapped into the team and locker room.

I hope Semi doesn't say anything.  Hayward is still better than that guy.
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Re: Report: Celtics Young Players Frustrated with Hayward's Minutes
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2019, 03:26:04 PM »

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Hasn't something like this been posted before? Even then, I don't think it's a non-issue. If anyone should be frustrated, it should be Rozier for literally offering nothing to the team... This guy is averaging a measly 8.7 PPG, and 2.9 APG in about 23 MPG... On dreadful and woeful 38% FG... No one should be pointing any fingers, nonetheless someone like Rozier.

But WAIT!

Some users here actually want Rozier to be our starting PG....  :angel: :-X :-X ::) ::) ::)
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Re: Report: Celtics Young Players Frustrated with Hayward's Minutes
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2019, 03:26:25 PM »

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been reading this kinda stuff on the net a while , even Steven A mentioned it months a go.

That contract is not tradable. Let him rest, get physical training,  ....

But get him off the court for awhile.
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2019, 03:30:18 PM »

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Translation:

Terry Rozier and his buddies at the end of the bench (e.g. Yabu, Semi etc) don't understand why Gordon Hayward gets to play more minutes than them.

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Hasn't something like this been posted before? Even then, I don't think it's a non-issue. If anyone should be frustrated, it should be Rozier for literally offering nothing to the team... This guy is averaging a measly 8.7 PPG, and 2.9 APG in about 23 MPG... On dreadful and woeful 38% FG... No one should be pointing any fingers, nonetheless someone like Rozier.

Yeah, the only guy who can really beef about this is right now is Jaylen Brown. But he was just saying that he likes coming off the bench because he can just attack and score. No one else has given any reason as to why they're deserving of more minutes.
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Re: Report: Celtics Young Players Frustrated with Hayward's Minutes
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2019, 03:31:48 PM »

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Hasn't something like this been posted before? Even then, I don't think it's a non-issue. If anyone should be frustrated, it should be Rozier for literally offering nothing to the team... This guy is averaging a measly 8.7 PPG, and 2.9 APG in about 23 MPG... On dreadful and woeful 38% FG... No one should be pointing any fingers, nonetheless someone like Rozier.

Yeah, the only guy who can really beef about this is right now is Jaylen Brown. But he was just saying that he likes coming off the bench because he can just attack and score. No one else has given any reason as to why they're deserving of more minutes.

Agreed. And even then, there are plenty of minutes to go around. Rozier is probably the only one really complaining since he's vying for a new contract.
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Re: Report: Celtics Young Players Frustrated with Hayward's Minutes
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2019, 03:33:09 PM »

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Hasn't something like this been posted before? Even then, I don't think it's a non-issue. If anyone should be frustrated, it should be Rozier for literally offering nothing to the team... This guy is averaging a measly 8.7 PPG, and 2.9 APG in about 23 MPG... On dreadful and woeful 38% FG... No one should be pointing any fingers, nonetheless someone like Rozier.

Yeah, the only guy who can really beef about this is right now is Jaylen Brown. But he was just saying that he likes coming off the bench because he can just attack and score. No one else has given any reason as to why they're deserving of more minutes.


Jaylen's also playing about the same number of minutes as Hayward.  More, lately.

Jaylen can hardly argue that he ought to be starting over Smart or Morris.


I really think this is coming from Rozier, who I'm sure wants to be starting and is anxious about how much $$ he's going to get this summer.


The problem is that Rozier hasn't actually done anything (this season) to prove he ought to play more than Hayward.
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« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2019, 03:34:48 PM »

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been reading this kinda stuff on the net a while , even Steven A mentioned it months a go.

That contract is not tradable. Let him rest, get physical training,  ....

But get him off the court for awhile.

Yeah ,  we got to get Brown revved up and into full output mode .   I think he needs WAY more minutes and more of a game load .  Some guys like carrying the load , he may be one. 

I would ride Brown as much as possible .  When things are cushy , give Hayward some easier minutes .   Im worried about the guys mental health.  His body language is just not right .  Not going anywhere with him play n like he is .  Need to get Brown and Tatum going full tilt boogie


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Younger players on the Boston Celtics have reportedly grown frustrated with the number of minutes All-Star Gordon Hayward plays on a nightly basis, according to ESPN’s Tim Bontemps.

That status is precisely why, despite the many ups and downs his season has gone through so far, the Celtics continue to run Hayward out there for significant minutes on a nightly basis. That decision, at times, has frustrated the younger members of the team, who see Hayward as an impediment to the roles they grew accustomed to.

Boston and Hayward haven’t exactly gotten off to the best start this season. The Celtics are currently the fifth seed in the Eastern Conference with a 31-19 overall record. Not exactly where the team expected to be after making an Eastern Conference Finals appearance last year.

With Kyrie Irving and Hayward both coming back at the start of the season, the Celtics looked primed to take the East by storm. Irving who has been vocal about the team’s struggles of late has lived up to the expectations. Since his return after missing last year’s playoffs, Irving is averaging 23.7 points, 4.8 rebounds and 6.9 assists on 49.9 shooting from the field.

Hayward, on the other hand, hasn’t exactly lived up to his contract since returning. When the forward is on the floor for the Celtics, the team has a 3.4 net rating when he’s on the bench their net rating jumps to 10.0.

A few weeks ago, Celtics guard Terry Rozier told Yahoo Sports that his teammates haven’t ‘been on a team like this,’ saying the team is ‘too talented.’

“I don’t think we’ve all been on a team like this,” Rozier told Yahoo. “Young guys who can play, guys who did things in their career, the group that was together last year, then you bring Kyrie and Hayward back, it’s a lot with it.”

This season Hayward is averaging 10.8 points, 4.6 rebounds and 3.4 assists on 31.7 percent shooting from the three-point line. Not quite the player the Celtics expected when signing him to a four-year, $127.8 deal.

When asked about his struggles, Gordon Hayward told ESPN the following.
 
“I think with each month I feel more comfortable,” Hayward told ESPN last week. “Sometimes, I need to remind myself it’s good to even be out there, and to try to find the joy in just playing, [and] not get frustrated if things aren’t going exactly how I want them to.”

Interesting, even if not really surprising. This is likely Rozier and Brown who are most disgruntled about this, as they seem to be the most affected by Hayward's minutes.

I mean, not much to do about it, though. If we ever want Hayward to get back to normal, he's going to need actual game reps, even at the expense of some of our young guys' minutes.

EDIT: Also, Bontemps covers the Celtics regularly now, so he's seemingly tapped into the team and locker room.

So if we are able to win our next 4 games (charlotte and OKC at home, Cavs and knicks on road) do we stop seeing this disappointing start stuff written? We would be 16 games over .500 and probably in 4th place at that point, perhaps even 3rd. Or will it not stop unless we are in number 1 seed position?

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Who is good enough to be complaining? Hayward plays with Rozier AND Brown most of the time...Theis is his guy...

But this whole Gordon Hayward experiment has been really frustrating.

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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2019, 03:49:32 PM »

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This article is twisting another ESPN article into something else. No quotes specifically complaining about Hayward’s minutes.

Having said that, you can sense the confidence in Hayward from his teammates slipping with each poor game offensively. He has become a pass of last resort in the offense.

I do believe they are all rooting for him. You can see it in their reactions when he does something good, like the two Minnesota games, blocking a shot or dunking. Just too infrequently. Must admit I thought (prayed?) he’d be all the way back by now.

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This article is twisting another ESPN article into something else. No quotes specifically complaining about Hayward’s minutes.

Having said that, you can sense the confidence in Hayward from his teammates slipping with each poor game offensively. He has become a pass of last resort in the offense.

I do believe they are all rooting for him. You can see it in their reactions when he does something good, like the two Minnesota games, blocking a shot or dunking. Just too infrequently. Must admit I thought (prayed?) he’d be all the way back by now.

Ya, I've never heard of defpen.  Reading just this article, it seems like a hack site.  Created an article based off a blurb from an ESPN article that came out 4 days ago?

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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2019, 03:57:06 PM »

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Well, with more minutes terry plays better.

With more minutes with Hayward the team plays worse.

Yeah. I think terry has a leg to stand on.

Gordon has been trash