Is There Actually a Way to Trade for Davis Now without Losing Kyrie?

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Yes. There is, but it might not be worth it. I posted this in another thread, but I thought some who don't enjoy sifting through page after page on overused threads might enjoy looking at this brain-teaser.

1) Three-way trade with Denver, Sacramento, and Boston
Boston receives: Isaiah Thomas, future Denver 2nd
Denver receives: Randolph, Bogdonavic, Yabu
Sacramento receives: Denver's trade exemptions, Hayward, Bird

This one hurts for us. We take the loss. Unless we could wrangle a first from Denver or a prospect with a small salary from Sacramento, the loss is probably too much to even consider. The benefit is that it puts us 10 million under the salary cap.

However, I think you could definitely argue the Kings make this deal. Hayward would already be better than Randolph and Bogdonavic, and they would be banking on him returning to all-star form on the wing for Hield and Fox.

Denver would have to consider this as well. Getting Bogdonavic on the wing would be really nice for them. He's a smart ball-player that compliments their other guys well. Randolph could be a useful big with experience in the playoffs.

2) Teams can only restructure a contract if they have room under the salary cap. The Celtics restructure Kyrie's contract, able to add up to 10 million more (10 million in cap space after the trade) to his contract and extra years to his contract, depending on what the rules are.

If we were commited to Kyrie as our veteran designated, his new contract would start at 32.4 million in 2019-2020.

We could give him a raise in this idea of up to 30 million this year. With the allowed 8% raise for 2019-2020, that would be 32.4 million next year.

In other words, without the renegotiation, he would make 52.5 million this year and next (if he signed the veteran designated extension). With the renegotiation, he would make 62.4 million this year and next.

He'd actually make 10 million more with the renegotiation.

At that point, we'd just need to negotiate the length (probably through 2021-2022 season) with the 8% raises each year.

This also makes Kyrie's contract no longer a rose rule contract, enabling us to trade for Davis.

3. Celtic trades for Davis
Trade 1: Baynes, Brown, Morris, Rozier, and Williams plus picks. We are left with Irving-Smart-Tatum-Horford-Davis and Thomas-Ojeleye-Theis-Wanamaker-buyouts on the bench.

Trade 2: Smart, Brown, Baynes, Williams, and picks for Davis. We are left with Irving-Rozier-Tatum-Horford-Davis and Morris-Baynes-Theis-Thomas-Wannamaker-Ojeleye off the bench

Trade 3: Horford, Rozier, Williams, draft picks for Davis and Moore. We are left with Irving-Smart-Tatum-Horford-Davis with Brown-Thomas-Moore-Theis-Baynes-Wanamaker-Ojeleye off the bench.

It is possible. With as much assets as we have, we could afford to lose some to gain Davis.

I still wouldn't do it. I like our team. But there are always ways to solve a problem.

[Fierce1]

I don't think you can restructure a contract during the season.

[Fafnir]

I don't think extending his contract would remove the Rose rule restriction.

Either way Kyrie is not having them dump Hayward's contract so he can take a pay cut.

[Monkhouse]

Interesting, but you cannot restructure contracts unless the contract itself has 2 years or more.

On July 9, the Houston Rockets took advantage of one of the many quirks of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, renegotiating and extending the contract of All-Star guard James Harden.

As detailed in May, Harden was one of almost 30 players who have qualified (or will qualify this summer) to have his contract restructured — available only to players with four or five years contracts, at least three years following their original signing date.

Additionally, renegotiation cannot lower salary; and teams must have enough cap-salary space to take advantage of the rule.

The key is that Harden’s original contract covers the 2016-17 and 2017-18 seasons.  His extension doesn’t actually start until 2018-19.

By the rules of extensions, Harden is eligible for a raise of 7.5 percent in 2018-19 over the final year of his original contract (2017-18, after it is renegotiated).  Once the extension starts, the 2018-19 season is the basis for any subsequent raises, limited again to 7.5 percent, which determines his salary for 2019-20.

Technically, Harden and the Rockets could have agreed to an extension with a sizable pay-cut in 2018-19 — down by 40 percent from his 2017-18 salary — but Harden’s actual agreement is listed as a “maximum contract.”

I don't think extending his contract would remove the Rose rule restriction.

Either way Kyrie is not having them dump Hayward's contract so he can take a pay cut.

Yup, it doesn't from what I've gathered in the CBA rules.

[Fafnir]

I don't think you can restructure a contract during the season.

You can, but its very complicated and would require Kyrie to opt into his final year and then add more years to the deal.

Which would likely mean the Davis restriction lasts until next year anyways, which defeats this threads premise.

[Fafnir]

Interesting, but you cannot restructure contracts unless the contract itself has 2 years or more.

I think Kyrie could sign away his opt out to fufill that criteria. But he's not doing that, its a huge paycut to do so.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I don't think you can restructure a contract during the season.

Contracts cannot be renegotiated between March 1st and June 30th.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q59

Means they can other times.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

A contract for four or more seasons can be renegotiated after the third anniversary of its signing, extension, or previous renegotiation.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q59
Question 59

[Monkhouse]

Even then... Kyrie isn't going to give up that much $$$$.

I don't understand the point of this thread DefenseWinsChamps, because this is a obsessively hypothetical scenario.

[Fierce1]

I doubt any team would take Hayward right now.

It's too much of a stretch.

Multiple teams would have to agree to help the Celts get Anthony Davis.
I don't think teams really want to help the Celts win more championships.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

If we were commited to Kyrie as our veteran designated, his contract would be almost 38 million in 2019-2020.

We could give him a raise up to 30 million this year, with the allowed 8% raise next year, that would be 32.4 million.

In other words, without the renegotiation, he would make 58 million this year and next (if he signed the veteran designated extension). With the renegotiation, he would make 62.4 million this year and next.

He'd actually make more with the renegotiation.

And I'm still not convinced we would make him our veteran designated extension if we got Davis.

[Fierce1]

I think AD to the Celts will be done in the summer.

There's just no incentive for other teams to help the Celts win another championship.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I doubt any team would take Hayward right now.

It's too much of a stretch.

Multiple teams would have to agree to help the Celts get Anthony Davis.
I don't think teams really want to help the Celts win more championships.

I definitely disagree. Compare him to Bogdonavic. Even at his worst, he is putting up similar numbers to him, but there is good reason to believe he will get better, and Bogdon is only two years younger than him. The Kings can take that chance with their cap situation and youth.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Gordon+Hayward&player_id1_select=Gordon+Hayward&player_id1=haywago01&y1=2019&player_id2_hint=Bogdan+Bogdanovic&player_id2_select=Bogdan+Bogdanovic&y2=2019&player_id2=bogdabo01&idx=players

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I think AD to the Celts will be done in the summer.

There's just no incentive for other teams to help the Celts win another championship.

The incentive is to get good talent for cheap. Both Denver and Sacramento win those trades, regardless of what the overly-negative fans in Boston think of Hayward.

[Fafnir]

If we were commited to Kyrie as our veteran designated, his contract would be almost 38 million in 2019-2020.

We could give him a raise up to 30 million this year, with the allowed 8% raise next year, that would be 32.4 million.

In other words, without the renegotiation, he would make 58 million this year and next (if he signed the veteran designated extension). With the renegotiation, he would make 62.4 million this year and next.

He'd actually make more with the renegotiation.

And I'm still not convinced we would make him our veteran designated extension if we got Davis.

Uh you cannot make a player your designated veteran (the supermax) if you trade for him when he's not on his rookie deal.

We did not trade for Kyrie on his rookie contract, he can never be a designated veteran for the Celtics. Same for Davis.