Random Player Comparison for Terry Rozier

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Rozier is NOT another Jrue Holiday.

His numbers compare favorably to Holiday from his first three years too. Does that mean if Watson got his chance he could be Holiday?

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By the way, as a starter this year, Rozier is per 36 averaging 17-6-6 on 47/40/92 shooting splits with only 1 turnover a game.

Those numbers are similar to Holiday's all-star season in his fourth year, but Rozier is more efficient with less turnovers.

That is a *really* small sample size. Last night he started and shot 40/25, contributing a number of what-is-he-thinking, only-Terry plays.

And the rest of his playing time matters. I don't know if he's pressing for PT at the point, but the offense is just a lot worse when he's out there. He dribbles too much, can't throw a lob, takes bad shots, and generally does not know how to set up his teammates. Marcus Smart is so much better than he is at making passes and setting the offense, in addition to being a better defender.

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By the way, as a starter this year, Rozier is per 36 averaging 17-6-6 on 47/40/92 shooting splits with only 1 turnover a game.

Those numbers are similar to Holiday's all-star season in his fourth year, but Rozier is more efficient with less turnovers.

That is a *really* small sample size. Last night he started and shot 40/25, contributing a number of what-is-he-thinking, only-Terry plays.

And the rest of his playing time matters. I don't know if he's pressing for PT at the point, but the offense is just a lot worse when he's out there. He dribbles too much, can't throw a lob, takes bad shots, and generally does not know how to set up his teammates. Marcus Smart is so much better than he is at making passes and setting the offense, in addition to being a better defender.

7 games is a small sample size, but when you combine that with the 16 games last year at about the same level of productivty (16-5-5 on 38/39/75 shooting splits) and his 19 games as a starter in the playoffs (17-6-5 on 41/35/82 shooting splits), you start to see a pattern.

That's 42 games at the same level of production as a starter. Also, he isn't close to Holiday's usage (because the Sixers were force-feeding Holiday that year), and that doesn't account for the fact that the Sixers played Holiday 38 minutes a game, but Rozier was getting less.

[PhoSita]

Rozier is NOT another Jrue Holiday.

His numbers compare favorably to Holiday from his first three years too. Does that mean if Watson got his chance he could be Holiday?

No, I think it means that Terry is closer to Watson than he is to Holiday.


Holiday was super young when he came into the league.  I think he's also like 3 inches taller than Terry, which makes a difference.


I get that Terry has put up decent numbers as a starter compared to when he's been a reserve.

I just don't see him as a guy who could be a reliable and consistent starter on a team with any sort of high level aspirations.  I don't think his overall game lives up to the impressive flashes he shows. 

I will say in his favor that he clearly believes a lot in himself and doesn't back down from any challenge.  That's part of what allows him to excel in big games.

[Kuberski33]

Always kinda reminded me of a more in control version of Marcus Banks.

No wonder Ainge liked him so much 

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Rozier's whole thing is built on being fast. Any comparison has to be fast, like to run, go to the hoop, but grind it out too.

He goes for rebounds, and long arms and quick hands on D.

Poor man's Gary Payton, anyone?

He's a tough player to pin because he has improved so much as a player year-to-year to get a real sense of where his plateau might be.

[Roy H.]

Rozier's whole thing is built on being fast. Any comparison has to be fast, like to run, go to the hoop, but grind it out too.

He goes for rebounds, and long arms and quick hands on D.

Poor man's Gary Payton, anyone?

He's a tough player to pin because he has improved so much as a player year-to-year to get a real sense of where his plateau might be.

1.  You can’t compare a guy in the bottom half of his position to Gary Payton. How about “comfortably middle class Eric Snow”?

2. Has Rozier improved year over year? From last season to this season?

[Fierce1]

If Celts end up trading for AD, expect Rozier to be back with the Celts next season.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Rozier's whole thing is built on being fast. Any comparison has to be fast, like to run, go to the hoop, but grind it out too.

He goes for rebounds, and long arms and quick hands on D.

Poor man's Gary Payton, anyone?

He's a tough player to pin because he has improved so much as a player year-to-year to get a real sense of where his plateau might be.

1.  You can’t compare a guy in the bottom half of his position to Gary Payton. How about “comfortably middle class Eric Snow”?

2. Has Rozier improved year over year? From last season to this season?

Yes, he has improved on the court, even if the stats don't back that up.

I agree that you can't compare normal players with all-time greats. That's why I thought I'd compare him to Holiday, who is a fringe all-star and had roughly the same production as Rozier in his third year.

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Rozier's whole thing is built on being fast. Any comparison has to be fast, like to run, go to the hoop, but grind it out too.

He goes for rebounds, and long arms and quick hands on D.

Poor man's Gary Payton, anyone?

He's a tough player to pin because he has improved so much as a player year-to-year to get a real sense of where his plateau might be.

1.  You can’t compare a guy in the bottom half of his position to Gary Payton. How about “comfortably middle class Eric Snow”?

2. Has Rozier improved year over year? From last season to this season?

Yes, he has improved on the court, even if the stats don't back that up.

I agree that you can't compare normal players with all-time greats. That's why I thought I'd compare him to Holiday, who is a fringe all-star and had roughly the same production as Rozier in his third year.

Holiday is a good comp. Rozier maybe more natural talent as a defender.

Eric Snow. I don't remember him as being exactly quick.  Mostly when I saw him he was teamed with a ball dominant player, so he stood around in those non-motion offenses. Maybe he was fast.

[CelticSince83]

Poor Man's Eric "Drew" Bledsoe.

[gouki88]

I don’t see it at all. At 22-23 Holiday was already an All-Star in his 4th season. He’s superior in almost every facet of the game.

Terry is nearly 25 years old and isn’t even that close to 22 year old Holiday, let alone the beast Holiday is now

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I don’t see it at all. At 22-23 Holiday was already an All-Star in his 4th season. He’s superior in almost every facet of the game.

Terry is nearly 25 years old and isn’t even that close to 22 year old Holiday, let alone the beast Holiday is now

I see the age difference, but as I said on the first page, Jrue's all-star selection in his fourth season was not that impressive. He averaged 17 and 7 with 4 turnovers in 38 minutes a game on a team that won 34 games.

His year four numbers skyrocketed because he was playing 38 minutes a game and his usage rate went from 22 to 27%. Although his shooting numbers stayed relatively the same, as he became more responsible to distribute the ball, his turnovers almost doubled, from 2.1 in year 3 to 3.7 in year 4. He only made the all-star game in a very down year for the Eastern Conference, when Tyson Chandler and Luol Deng also made it. For comparison, his production was roughly the same per36 as Dinwiddie or Reggie Jackson this year, who clearly are not all-stars. The Sixers went 34-48 that year. 

Rozier had roughly the same production as Holliday in year 3 of their career. If Rozier was a starter and had the same usage as Holiday in year 4, there's good evidence he would be producing at the same level as Jrue that season.

His 7 games as a starter this year is a small sample size, but when you combine that with the 16 games last year at about the same level of productivty (16-5-5 on 38/39/75 shooting splits) and his 19 games as a starter in the playoffs (17-6-5 on 41/35/82 shooting splits), you start to see a pattern.

That's 42 games as a starter at the same level of production as Holliday in his all-star season. Also, he isn't close to Holiday's usage (because the Sixers were force-feeding Holiday that year), and that doesn't account for the fact that the Sixers played Holiday 38 minutes a game, but Rozier gets less, even as a starter.

[RodyTur10]

I do think that Rozier is a legit starting guard in the NBA. But I don't like Rozier and I do like Holiday.

[feckless]

Poor Man's Eric "Drew" Bledsoe.

Rozier owned Eric Bledsoe in last years’ playoffs.