Random Player Comparison for Terry Rozier

[DefenseWinsChamps]

All this Pelican trade talk got me thinking about Rozier.

Is he another Jrue Holiday?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Terry+Rozier&player_id1_select=Terry+Rozier&player_id1=roziete01&y1=2018&player_id2_hint=jrue+Holiday&player_id2_select=Jrue+Holiday&y2=2012&player_id2=holidjr01&idx=players

Both long. Both athletic. Both kinda' tweener guard. Good rebounders. Not elite upside, but still very good upside.

A lot of people thought that Holiday wasn't a true point guard early in his career (some still don't think he is), but he has continued to improve his play-making ability, especially at playing with pace.

Holiday is a great defender now, but early in his career, that was a big reason why people considered him a middling prospect. He wasn't very committed on that side of the court.

I've been trying to figure out a career arc for Rozier going forward. I think this is as close as it gets. If Rozier was given the opportunity, I wonder about how his numbers would improve.

Not trying to start a trade Irving thread. I'm just more excited about Rozier's potential moving forward.

[Kuberski33]

All this Pelican trade talk got me thinking about Rozier.

Is he another Jrue Holiday?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Terry+Rozier&player_id1_select=Terry+Rozier&player_id1=roziete01&y1=2018&player_id2_hint=jrue+Holiday&player_id2_select=Jrue+Holiday&y2=2012&player_id2=holidjr01&idx=players

Both long. Both athletic. Both kinda' tweener guard. Good rebounders. Not elite upside, but still very good upside.

A lot of people thought that Holiday wasn't a true point guard early in his career (some still don't think he is), but he has continued to improve his play-making ability, especially at playing with pace.

Holiday is a great defender now, but early in his career, that was a big reason why people considered him a middling prospect. He wasn't very committed on that side of the court.

I've been trying to figure out a career arc for Rozier going forward. I think this is as close as it gets. If Rozier was given the opportunity, I wonder about how his numbers would improve.

Not trying to start a trade Irving thread. I'm just more excited about Rozier's potential moving forward.

Rozier would be an average to slightly below average NBA starter.  He's yet to prove he can play consistently especially on the road.  Doesn't shoot it well enough, but defends, rebounds, takes good care of the basketball and can get to the basket, get fouled, then make his FT's.  When he's on his game and hustling, he can certainly have a positive impact on a team winning but consistency is the issue.  Not sure who comes to mind when I think of that type of game.

[Roy H.]

He’s not close to Holiday, who is a better scorer, passer, and defender. Jrue also has better court vision and a better feel for the game.

Rozier reminds me more of Eric Bledsoe.

[Donoghus]

Always kinda reminded me of a more in control version of Marcus Banks.

[Sophomore]

He’s not close to Holiday, who is a better scorer, passer, and defender. Krueger also has better court vision and a better feel for the game.

Yeah, if it weren't for Holiday's massive contract, I would flip Terry for him in a heartbeat.

Last night's game provided another game full of bad Terry moments. My favorite was when Brooklyn missed a shot and the ball was going out of bounds. Terry sort of loped up to the ball, decided too late to try and save it and fell out of bounds causing a turnover. Scal thought he was just hunting a rebound to pad his stats. Can't say what was in his mind, but man was that a bad look for a professional basketball player.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

He’s not close to Holiday, who is a better scorer, passer, and defender. Krueger also has better court vision and a better feel for the game.

Rozier reminds me more of Eric Bledsoe.

My point was to compare both their year threes.

I recognize that he is not close to Holiday right now. But the reason why the Sixers traded Holiday initially was because they didn't think he had all-star potential. They didn't think he was a player they could build around. That was because he was an average play-maker and defender at that time.

He has improved his feel for the game tremendously since his third year, partially because he has been given so many reps as the ball-handler in an offense.

[Roy H.]

He’s not close to Holiday, who is a better scorer, passer, and defender. Krueger also has better court vision and a better feel for the game.

Rozier reminds me more of Eric Bledsoe.

My point was to compare both their year threes.

I recognize that he is not close to Holiday right now. But the reason why the Sixers traded Holiday initially was because they didn't think he had all-star potential. They didn't think he was a player they could build around. That was because he was an average play-maker and defender at that time.

He has improved his feel for the game tremendously since his third year, partially because he has been given so many reps as the ball-handler in an offense.

I think that’s an inaccurate description of Jrue’s career. For one thing, he was already an all-star when traded. In his third year, he was sharing ball-handling responsibilities  with Iguodala, also an elite playmaker.

Holiday has been a binky of mine since his rookie year. I liked his confidence behind the scenes at the NBA draft, which I attended on behalf of SB Nation that year. Living outside Philly at the time, I watched a ton of his games.

His feel for the game has always been impressive, as has his balance of scoring / passing.

[tazzmaniac]

He’s not close to Holiday, who is a better scorer, passer, and defender. Krueger also has better court vision and a better feel for the game.

Rozier reminds me more of Eric Bledsoe.

My point was to compare both their year threes.

I recognize that he is not close to Holiday right now. But the reason why the Sixers traded Holiday initially was because they didn't think he had all-star potential. They didn't think he was a player they could build around. That was because he was an average play-maker and defender at that time.

He has improved his feel for the game tremendously since his third year, partially because he has been given so many reps as the ball-handler in an offense.

As Roy points out Jrue was already an allstar before he was traded after his 4th season.  He'd already signed a reasonably good extension with the Sixers.  The reason he was traded was the Bynum trade blew up in the Sixers faces and they decided to go into full tank mode.  They were able to get two top 10 picks for him. 

Here's a recent Lowe article on Holiday. 
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25842091/what-jrue-holiday-wants-why-makes-special 

[DefenseWinsChamps]

He’s not close to Holiday, who is a better scorer, passer, and defender. Krueger also has better court vision and a better feel for the game.

Rozier reminds me more of Eric Bledsoe.

My point was to compare both their year threes.

I recognize that he is not close to Holiday right now. But the reason why the Sixers traded Holiday initially was because they didn't think he had all-star potential. They didn't think he was a player they could build around. That was because he was an average play-maker and defender at that time.

He has improved his feel for the game tremendously since his third year, partially because he has been given so many reps as the ball-handler in an offense.

I think that’s an inaccurate description of Jrue’s career. For one thing, he was already an all-star when traded. In his third year, he was sharing ball-handling responsibilities  with Iguodala, also an elite playmaker.

Holiday has been a binky of mine since his rookie year. I liked his confidence behind the scenes at the NBA draft, which I attended on behalf of SB Nation that year. Living outside Philly at the time, I watched a ton of his games.

His feel for the game has always been impressive, as has his balance of scoring / passing.

I guess we disagree then. Holiday averaged 13.5 points and 4.5 assists his third year in 34 minutes a game. HIs shooting was at 43/38/78 splits, but he wasn't getting to line a lot (like Rozier).

His year four numbers skyrocketed because he was playing 38 minutes a game and his usage rate went from 22 to 27%. Although his shooting numbers stayed relatively the same, as he became more responsible to distribute the ball, his turnovers almost doubled, from 2.1 in year 3 to 3.7 in year 4. He only made the all-star game in a very down year for the Eastern Conference, when Tyson Chandler and Luol Deng also made it. For comparison, his production was roughly the same per36 as Dinwiddie or Reggie Jackson this year, who clearly are not all-stars. The Sixers went 34-48 that year. 

Holiday was the most meh player in the NBA in that year. He was fine. He was a good player, but no one thought you could build a legit contender around him. When faced with the prospect of building around Holiday, Turner, Young, and Hawes, the Sixers embraced the tank.

I like Holiday a lot, especially today. But I don't want to revise history about the kind of player he was back then. I think he was very similar to the kind of player Rozier is today.

[Roy H.]

He’s not close to Holiday, who is a better scorer, passer, and defender. Krueger also has better court vision and a better feel for the game.

Rozier reminds me more of Eric Bledsoe.

My point was to compare both their year threes.

I recognize that he is not close to Holiday right now. But the reason why the Sixers traded Holiday initially was because they didn't think he had all-star potential. They didn't think he was a player they could build around. That was because he was an average play-maker and defender at that time.

He has improved his feel for the game tremendously since his third year, partially because he has been given so many reps as the ball-handler in an offense.

I think that’s an inaccurate description of Jrue’s career. For one thing, he was already an all-star when traded. In his third year, he was sharing ball-handling responsibilities  with Iguodala, also an elite playmaker.

Holiday has been a binky of mine since his rookie year. I liked his confidence behind the scenes at the NBA draft, which I attended on behalf of SB Nation that year. Living outside Philly at the time, I watched a ton of his games.

His feel for the game has always been impressive, as has his balance of scoring / passing.

I guess we disagree then. Holiday averaged 13.5 points and 4.5 assists his third year in 34 minutes a game. HIs shooting was at 43/38/78 splits, but he wasn't getting to line a lot (like Rozier).

His year four numbers skyrocketed because he was playing 38 minutes a game and his usage rate went from 22 to 27%. Although his shooting numbers stayed relatively the same, as he became more responsible to distribute the ball, his turnovers almost doubled, from 2.1 in year 3 to 3.7 in year 4. He only made the all-star game in a very down year for the Eastern Conference, when Tyson Chandler and Luol Deng also made it. For comparison, his production was roughly the same per36 as Dinwiddie or Reggie Jackson this year, who clearly are not all-stars. The Sixers went 34-48 that year. 

Holiday was the most meh player in the NBA in that year. He was fine. He was a good player, but no one thought you could build a legit contender around him. When faced with the prospect of building around Holiday, Turner, Young, and Hawes, the Sixers embraced the tank.

I like Holiday a lot, especially today. But I don't want to revise history about the kind of player he was back then. I think he was very similar to the kind of player Rozier is today.

Well, one of us is revising history.

Look at Jrue’s second year. Or his fourth year. Or the trade return they got for him.

Now compare that to Rozier.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

By the way, as a starter this year, Rozier is per 36 averaging 17-6-6 on 47/40/92 shooting splits with only 1 turnover a game.

Those numbers are similar to Holiday's all-star season in his fourth year, but Rozier is more efficient with less turnovers.

[Who]

He’s not close to Holiday, who is a better scorer, passer, and defender. Krueger also has better court vision and a better feel for the game.

Rozier reminds me more of Eric Bledsoe.

My point was to compare both their year threes.

I recognize that he is not close to Holiday right now. But the reason why the Sixers traded Holiday initially was because they didn't think he had all-star potential. They didn't think he was a player they could build around. That was because he was an average play-maker and defender at that time.

He has improved his feel for the game tremendously since his third year, partially because he has been given so many reps as the ball-handler in an offense.

I think that’s an inaccurate description of Jrue’s career. For one thing, he was already an all-star when traded. In his third year, he was sharing ball-handling responsibilities  with Iguodala, also an elite playmaker.

Holiday has been a binky of mine since his rookie year. I liked his confidence behind the scenes at the NBA draft, which I attended on behalf of SB Nation that year. Living outside Philly at the time, I watched a ton of his games.

His feel for the game has always been impressive, as has his balance of scoring / passing.

I agree. I always thought highly of Jrue's defense. I considered him one of the top defensive PGs in the league from early on in his career. He was also a good solid floor general. Not highly creative but a dependable smart decision maker who ran his team's offense well and kept people involved. He was a true PG from day one despite not being a creative playmaker.

[Who]

I find Rozier tough to compare other people to. He is more of a combo guard than a PG. Monta Ellis is too talented but someone like that. A 6-2/6-3 combo guard. A SG in a PG's body.

Jason Terry is too good a shooter. A lot of those guys with that size and combo guard game are great shooters. They don't compare too well to Rozier.

[PhoSita]

Rozier is NOT another Jrue Holiday.

[Jvalin]

I find Rozier tough to compare other people to. He is more of a combo guard than a PG. Monta Ellis is too talented but someone like that. A 6-2/6-3 combo guard. A SG in a PG's body.

Jason Terry is too good a shooter. A lot of those guys with that size and combo guard game are great shooters. They don't compare too well to Rozier.

The way I see it, Rozier is a score-first PG. He's about average from the 3-point line (34.8% this season, 35.3% for his career), hence it's not an ideal situation to use him off the ball. He needs the ball in his hands in order to maximize his effectiveness on offense.

I view Rozier as a (very) poor man's Westbrook. Never liked Westbrook's game. Never liked Rozier's game either.